Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?

[jumpinginthenight <jumpinginthenight@xxxxxxxxx>]

"If you want noir" you have to see it in a movie! It's a French term for the movies their film critics missed during WWII and finally got to see later.A "noir" novel is like a "stereo" pizza! In print, you would call it "hard-boiled" fiction.

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From: "Michael Snider" 
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Subject: Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?


>
> --- jumpinginthenight 
> wrote:
>>
>> Chandler & Hammett, yes. Also Carroll John Daly,
>
> Daly was the Mickey Spillane of the 20s/30s. More
> historically important than readable IMO.
>
>> Kenneth Robeson,
>
> Never heard of him.
>
> Sax Rohmer, John P. Marquand,
>> Seabury Quinn, Walter B. Gibson, Grant Stockbridge,
>> Leslie Charteris, Edgar Rice Burroughs.
>>
> James M. Cain and Horace McCoy should be on that list
> too, although I don't know if you've read their stuff.
> And farther removed from the pulp universe, Orwell,
> Celine, Henry Miller, Faulkner, Camus (although "The
> Stranger" is IMO a hard boiled novel)
>


well the 30's were dominated by WPA/watered down naturalism--steinbeck, 
henry roth, farrell, richard wright, mccoy, and yes camus: btw celine has 
the greatest novel of that decade not counting faulkner who was the babe 
ruth of the 20s/30s: one immortal feat after another (absalom is my fave 
novel).

edagr rice is a great choice (ithought he was more 1910-1930, hence johnny 
w' films) and marquand is also underrated. charteris and stockbridge i have 
no taste for. remrmber the 1930's as crowning achievemets in wallace stevens 
and auden's poetry, for diff reasons. speaking of brits: woolf was 
ending/graham greene was beginning, and i'm a big fan of jean rhys, firbank, 
isherwood--mannered, brittle upper class twits.

and no list is complete without flann o'brien, the funniest writer since 
wilde.

btw
becket's novels begin somewhere here --37? 38?--and if you want noir, and 
genius, they are the beginning and the ending of modernism. 

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