Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?

[weisbaker <roky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

i prefer david goodis novels to david goodis movies btw


no argument about the importance of late 40's american noir film and its 
influences

in last 3 weeks
i have seen

detour
big sleep
blast of silence
double indemnity
altman's and elliot gould's long goodbye
big heat


btw the question re who "invented" hard boiled is interesting--
michael snider is dead on to find continental philosophy (camus, sartre, 
bergson) influential.

mmmmm

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jumpinginthenight" <jumpinginthenight@yahoo.com>
To: <bomp@xnet2.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?


>
> "If you want noir" you have to see it in a movie! It's a French term for 
> the movies their film critics missed during WWII and finally got to see 
> later.A "noir" novel is like a "stereo" pizza! In print, you would call it 
> "hard-boiled" fiction.
>
> weisbaker <roky@optonline.net> wrote:
> *******************************************
> Michael Baker/Mindy Weisberger
> 380 Mountain Rd #1213
> Union City, New Jersey 07087
> Tel/Fax: 201 867 0198
> Email: roky@optonline.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Snider"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 3:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [bomp] the thirties were a hard one to deal with?
>
>
>>
>> --- jumpinginthenight
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chandler & Hammett, yes. Also Carroll John Daly,
>>
>> Daly was the Mickey Spillane of the 20s/30s. More
>> historically important than readable IMO.
>>
>>> Kenneth Robeson,
>>
>> Never heard of him.
>>
>> Sax Rohmer, John P. Marquand,
>>> Seabury Quinn, Walter B. Gibson, Grant Stockbridge,
>>> Leslie Charteris, Edgar Rice Burroughs.
>>>
>> James M. Cain and Horace McCoy should be on that list
>> too, although I don't know if you've read their stuff.
>> And farther removed from the pulp universe, Orwell,
>> Celine, Henry Miller, Faulkner, Camus (although "The
>> Stranger" is IMO a hard boiled novel)
>>
>
>
> well the 30's were dominated by WPA/watered down naturalism--steinbeck,
> henry roth, farrell, richard wright, mccoy, and yes camus: btw celine has
> the greatest novel of that decade not counting faulkner who was the babe
> ruth of the 20s/30s: one immortal feat after another (absalom is my fave
> novel).
>
> edagr rice is a great choice (ithought he was more 1910-1930, hence johnny
> w' films) and marquand is also underrated. charteris and stockbridge i 
> have
> no taste for. remrmber the 1930's as crowning achievemets in wallace 
> stevens
> and auden's poetry, for diff reasons. speaking of brits: woolf was
> ending/graham greene was beginning, and i'm a big fan of jean rhys, 
> firbank,
> isherwood--mannered, brittle upper class twits.
>
> and no list is complete without flann o'brien, the funniest writer since
> wilde.
>
> btw
> becket's novels begin somewhere here --37? 38?--and if you want noir, and
> genius, they are the beginning and the ending of modernism.
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