Re: [bomp] Variety -- the key word

["BlackMonk" <BlackMonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: [bomp] Variety -- the key word


>
> Do you even read this list? What was denied was that the general pop/rock
> audience during the sixties had any interest in artists who were popular 
> in
> the 20s, not that there were a generalized fad for nostalgia.
>
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>
> Yeh, but what you're not getting about all this is that back then (in the
> '60s), the music scene was not as FACTIONALIZED as it is today, with 
> hard-core
> people only into one thing at a time.  The same girl who bounced around to
> "Winchester Cathedral" also bounced around to "Sweet Pea" and "96 Tears" 
> and then
> mocked sentimentality when they heard "Strangers in the Night".  Fads, 
> camp,
> all that stuff weaved in and out of the music, it wasn't like today, with
> narrow-minded scenesters making up "rules" as to what's "'60s"...

You're complaining about narrow-minded scensters? I guess irony is woven in 
with the Bomp list.

 what your're
> doing is trying to seperate the culture from the music, and that's not 
> what the
> '60s were like.  Everything in pop culture coalesced then, and that's what 
> made
> it a unique time.
>

    Can you even read? What you're not getting is that Winchester Cathedral 
was NOT done by a 20s artist. The same girl who bounced around that all that 
stuff COULDN'T CARE less about Al Jolsen or Nick Lucas. THAT is the point. 
There IS a difference between "pop culture" and music, pretending that there 
isn't only demotes music to the level of a fashion accessory. I've been 
reading your posts for a while, and one thing that's obvious is that music 
for its own sake means nothing to you. Your main interest is sociology, and 
that's fine as far as it goes, but we're talking about music here, so you're 
out of your depth.

> You can't get specific and say people weren't into Rudy Vallee or 
> whatever,
> because to be a ubiquitous pop prescence in the '60s (and Vallee did cut 
> some
> album where he tried to cash in on pop cullture interest in him back then) 
> was
> the deal when everybody watched people like that on Variety shows 
> alongside
> the Lovin' Spoonful or whoever...


And even you admitted that the people who wanted to see the Dave Clark Five 
couldn't give a fuck about Rudy Vallee.

 It was a real trip watching the Ed Sullivan
> Show, Hollywood Palace and all the others, even Andy Williams had a 
> million
> diverse acts on his show.  A lot of people shared in the fun, despite the 
> widely
> publicized generation gap... we all watched each others artists... it 
> wasn't
> narrow like MTV or VH1 where you are given a steady diet of Bon Jovi or
> whatever.
>

And all this romanticisation of the sixties has nothing to do with the 
point. Look, I'm sorry you were too young to truly be a part of your 
favorite decade, but don't pretend your being the Miniver Cheevy of the Bomp 
list has anything to do with reality.


> Entertainment back in the '60s was still running on Vaudeville ethos, and
> that's long gone, jack.
>

Again, so what? That doesn't Rudy Vallee any more popular with Dave Clark 
Five fans. 

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