[bomp] The Monos and the Papas

[NankerPhlg@xxxxxxx]

Moreen sez...

<<< I don't have the original vinyl of that LP, or any of the  45's, and the 
only Mamas & the Papas vinyl I have is that " Gathering of  Flowers " box set 
anthology that Dunhill popped out back in I think 1971, so I  can't compare 
them for ya, but it's possible that the mono LP version of that  album may have 
the 45 single versions which were usually mono mixes back then. A  common 
production trick back then that a number of producers used was to speed  up the 45 
single versions slightly ... usually to make them " snappier " and "  more 
upbeat" for radio play... >>>
 
Quite possible. Certainly makes sense. 
 
The slight speeding up in the case of 'Monday Monday' might also be for  
time...I think the stereo mix is just over three minutes, so maybe Dunhill  
slightly bumped up the speed for the single in an attempt to bring it under the  
dreaded 3:00 mark (which would also explain why the song fades out a bit earlier  
in mono than the stereo.)
 

<<< So you might want to run the mono LP against a stereo LP  and an original 
Dunhill 45 and compare them, but I'd bet that those songs, which  were on 
45's, " Monday Monday " was an A side, and " Straight Shooter " was the  B side 
of " 12:30 ", are the mono mixes. >>>
 
I'll give it a try. Not sure I have the 'Monday Monday' 45 to check, but  I'm 
sure I know someone who does...I have 'California Dreamin' on 45, but that  
one doesn't sound sped up on the mono LP.
 
I do know that the songs on their second album that were singles are *not*  
the single mixes on the Mono LP. Dunno about 'Deliver'...never had a Mono LP of 
 that.
 

<<< One thing to be sure of when you use a 45 tho', make sure  it's an 
original Dunhill one, as later re-issues of the 45 on either MCA or a  specialty " 
oldies " label might be the stereo mixes or even " folded " stereo  mixes. >>>
 
When I worked at Tower Records in the late 1980s, I was the 'Assistant  
Singles Buyer' (which just meant I did whatever the *real* buyer didn't want to  
do...one of my responsibilities was rearranging the wall whenever the new Top  
100 chart came in), and sometimes late at night, I'd grab some 45s and deejay 
in  the booth over the store speakers...and I remember it seemed hit and miss 
which  oldies singles were still using the original single mixes and which had 
replaced  them with the stereo mix. The Beatles' singles were still using the 
originals up  through the 1980s, and I remember "Sounds Of Silence" was the 
original as  well...but The Monkees' singles were in stereo, as were most Motown 
45s. But I  remember thinking it cool that even this long after the fact, 
many of those old  mixes could still be had.

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