From: Bomp-Digest-Sender To: bomp-digest@bolis.com Subject: Bomp V96 #25 Reply-To: Bomp@bolis.com Precedence: bulk Bomp Thursday, 4 July 1996 Volume 96 : Number 025 In this issue: Billy & Miriam-Kicks Punks, Nazis, etc. Re: Bomp V96 #24 let's talk videos! Re: let's talk videos! Re: Punks, Nazis, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PETEP@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 08:30:35 -0400 Subject: Billy & Miriam-Kicks In a message dated 96-07-04 04:28:06 EDT, you write: >has anyone else noticed that Kicks magazine, = >great as it is, and despite its professed love, or magnificent = >obsession, with pre-British Invasion American rock'n'roll, seems to be = >almost devoid of anything regarding black rock'n'rollers of that era, = >except for those, such as Chuck, Bo and Esquerita, who simply cannot be = >ignored? Have I hit on something here, or am I totally off base? Without going too far into such a question, I'd say you are way off base. Billy & Miriam are two of the nicest people out there, and it would be totally out of character for them to even suggest such things. Don't even think about it, its not even close to the truth. Next topic! ------------------------------ From: Dgett Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 09:21:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Punks, Nazis, etc. >(1) Is there truth to the story that the Sex Pistols used to have to = >fight fascist skinheads back in the 70s? The Sex Pistols generally had more trouble fighting Teddy Boys than anyone else. From what I can tell, there was a fair bit of Ted/NF crossover at that time. Also, there did tend to be a polarization of the various youth movements that split along pro-punk/anti-punk lines. A large number of West Indians ended up with the punks, which put almost everyone with racist tendancies (nazi skins, Teds, police, etc.) against them. There was some good size incident, the details of which elude me, when a group of Teds put up fliers advertising a giant fight against the punks. The police showed up and joined in against the punks and dreads. Of course, this story might be purely fictional and I might be off base. As far as wearing Nazi regalia goes, I have read lots of interviews with assorted British and American punks saying that they just thought the stuff looked cool. It wasn't a particular statement, nor was it regional. Siouxsie Sioux wore lots of Nazi stuff, as did the Ramones, The Stooges, The Electric Eels. And there's the bizarre Nazi/dominatrix costumes than McLaren and Westwood designed for Ken Russel's _Mahler_ Overall, I got the impression that the punk fascination with Nazis was more stylistic than ideological. - -Dgett ------------------------------ From: dothepop@ix.netcom.com (Lisa Lindstrom) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:56:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #24 I'm not even sure how this stupid thread started, but...while it be true that Ron and perhaps other members of the Stooges collected Nazi paraphenelia. In the book "Please Kill me," Ron has says that, yes, he was interested in Nazi material, reading about them, etc. Not that he condones them, on the contraray, he found it educating to read. As to the rest of the Stoooges, I don't know. Iggy is/was Jewish, so I don't know if that sheds any light on it. Asheton does not live in his parents basement, I don't know where that guy got that from. >I do have some questions though: >(1) Is there truth to the story that the Sex Pistols used to have to = >fight fascist skinheads back in the 70s? Possibly. Both Rotten and Cook wewe badly beaten by "teddy boys" at one point, and the band did have it's share of proboems with skinheads. >(2) In one of his articles from the late 70s, Lester Bangs mentioned a = >picture in Punk magazine that showed none other than Miriam Linna, = >former member of the Cramps and A-Bones and co-founder of Norton records = >(one of my favorite labels) and Kicks magazine, posing in front of White = >People's Party headquarters with a banner that said "God, Country, = >Race." Does anyone on this list possess that issue of Punk? Has anyone = >even seen that picture? Never seen it, but there is a new Punk book out -haven't got it yet. >(3) In light of item (2), has anyone else noticed that Kicks magazine, = >great as it is, and despite its professed love, or magnificent = >obsession, with pre-British Invasion American rock'n'roll, seems to be = >almost devoid of anything regarding black rock'n'rollers of that era, = >except for those, such as Chuck, Bo and Esquerita, who simply cannot be = >ignored? Have I hit on something here, or am I totally off base? Actually, I can name a whole bunch more black artists Kicks and Norton has supported: Rudy Grayzell (who the A-Bones have backed up), Andre Williams, Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Link Wray (okay, he's not black, but he is a Native American son), Rosco Gordon, etc. This list, I'm sure, could go on. Alan W. > > > > >------------------------------ > >From: Lan >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:41:38 -0700 >Subject: Sonics on Etiquette > >To the fellow who wanted to know about Sonics CDs, here is an e mail = >address for Etiquette Records I recently obtained on the net: = >NIE@eskimo.com. >I don't know whether it's still a good address. > >------------------------------ > >End of Bomp V96 #24 >******************* > >You have been reading Bomp-digest. > >For subscription requests, send a message to majordomo@bolis.com >containing "subscribe Bomp-digest" or "unsubscribe Bomp-digest" > ------------------------------ From: "Laura Taylor" Date: 4 Jul 1996 14:39:03 -0400 Subject: let's talk videos! Can anyone tell me what's available on video-legit or no- by The Damned or the Cramps? I know there are videos and performances here and there(like URGH!)-but I'd love to know what's out there... Thanks! laura@wusf.usf.edu ------------------------------ From: User Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: let's talk videos! On 4 Jul 1996, Laura Taylor wrote: > Can anyone tell me what's available on video-legit or no- by The Damned or > the Cramps? I know there are videos and performances here and there(like > URGH!)-but I'd love to know what's out there... > Thanks! > laura@wusf.usf.edu > I wouldn't know where to find it, but I've always enjoyed The Cramps at the NAPA State Mental Institution video. ------------------------------ From: Deniz Tek Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 21:12:29 GMT Subject: Re: Punks, Nazis, etc. > Overall, I got the impression >that the punk fascination with Nazis was more stylistic than ideological. > >-Dgett Having been there, in close association with many of these bands, I can confirm that you are right about this. The idea was to a. look cool and b. piss "establishment" types off, including (especially) the hippies and the rock music establishment. I can verify also that not much thought went into it. Most of the fighting was in self defense against just these establishment blokes who in fact DID get pissed off. Exercising ones' right of self expression was not always without cost. BTW Ron Asheton started collecting Nazi stuff as a kid, while Scotty collected Japanese war mementos. This was started with the help of their Dad who was a WWII hero and brought home all sorts of stuff. Ron had to sell off almost all of his collection in the aftermath of the Stooges demise. He still might have a few odds and ends lying around. While ron does complain about the excesses and duplicity of government and big business from time to time, I can tell you that he is no Nazi and isn't a "militia freak", either. If he were, it is unlikely that our friendship would have ever started, let alone continue for more than 20 years. OK next topic. Deniz Tek ------------------------------ End of Bomp V96 #25 ******************* You have been reading Bomp-digest. For subscription requests, send a message to majordomo@bolis.com containing "subscribe Bomp-digest" or "unsubscribe Bomp-digest"