From: Bomp-Digest-Sender To: bomp-digest@bolis.com Subject: Bomp V96 #29 Reply-To: Bomp@bolis.com Precedence: bulk Bomp Wednesday, 10 July 1996 Volume 96 : Number 029 In this issue: Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. RE: New Distortions/Diggin For Gold 6 Releases Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. Re: Bomp V96 #28 Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. -Reply Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. Re: Kicks, etc. real kids RE: Kicks Magazine Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. Iggy & Pete [none] Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. Re: real kids Re: Re: Bomp V96 #28 Re: real kids ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:34:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. Ed Rothstein wrote: > > > Does continuing this discussion really serve a purpose? Maybe we should ask Miriam for a response? I'm sure it must be very cathartic or self-edifying. And no, there's no need for a response: there are definite ways to determine if she's a nazi or demi-nazi (i.e.: a not-so-good-a-person-as-the-rest-of-us): Have your cows been giving sour milk? Are your crops doing poorly? Try chucking her in a lake with a millstone tied around her neck- if she sinks, she's not a witch, uh, nazi that is. ------------------------------ From: Hitomi I Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:06:14 +0900 Subject: RE: New Distortions/Diggin For Gold 6 Releases Maybe I 'm a garage fanatics. I like all of Diggin For Gold ,and two of Crude PA. Diggin For Gold series are best comp of including world wide '60s punk. And I love the crude and moody sound of New England and Pensilvania. Hitomi - ---------- The new Diggin For Gold 6 is another matter, however. It is solid 60's garage/beat from throughout the world(as are all the LP's in this wonderful series) and is well worth the trouble of buying it. Great stuff. Also, the Distortions LP, Crude PA Vol 2 is also good-I would also recommend this for all you garage-fanatics. (If you aren't a fanatic-skip it!) I enjoy it. How does anyone else feel about these LP's? Order from Get Hip or Midnight. ------------------------------ From: User Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. As to the "nothing after '63" stance... First off, Billy and Miriam have done some material on garage groups (for example, Greg Prevost's Young Tyrants article). Plus, they did a *huge* feature on the Bobby Fuller 4. (Definitely post-'63.) Also, didn't the first issue deal with some then-current bands? I don't have it, but I seem to remember seeing it years back. Now, are we asking them to cover garage stuff (which only takes us thru '67, for the most part) or go later? Firstly, as I've noted, they *have* covered garage material. Secondly, I don't think I really need to hear Billy & Miriam covering psychedelia or the NY Dolls, etc. Or even punk. (Though I believe they could cover some of that quite well.) Do I get turned off by reading all that rockabilly stuff? Well, yes, after a while. But since Kicks probably only comes out once every 5-7 years now, I think if you read it intermittently, you'll be fine. Really, it's all those record reviews of records I'll never own that get to me... so bite-size is my way. Anyway, I asked Billy if another one was on the way... he said he'd love to do one, but the label/mail-order is just taking up too much time for that right now. Blair ------------------------------ From: dothepop@ix.netcom.com (Lisa Lindstrom) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:37:29 -0700 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #28 Regarding the ongoing thread about Miriam Linna: I agree, why doesn't someone just ask her? And about her and Billy supposedly "not liking music after '63," that's bullshit. Firstly, Miriam was/is a big Flamin' Groovies fan, she wrote the sleeve notes for "Bucket Full Of Brains," the live '72 Bomp!/Voxx LP from years ago. She was also the Devo Fan Club President in the very early days ('75/'76) and a big supporter of Claveland/Akron underground music in those days. Lest we also not forget Norton's excelent reissues of material by the Real Kids, who certainly were not "before '63." True, Kicks' main focus is Rockabilly/early R'nB, so what? Our magazine Do The Pop! only focuses on '70s punk/powerpop/etc., but we listen to lots of new stuff, and music that isn't covered in the mag. Alan W. ------------------------------ From: Erica Wissolik Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:26:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, etc. -Reply This whole conversation is totally ridiculous. I count Billy and Miriam among my friends and I have never met 2 more accepting, respectful, enlightened individuals in my life. They're about as good as you can get in today's world. So no, this discussion serves no purpose that I can determine. - --Erica >>> Ben Waugh 07/10/96 08:34am >>> Ed Rothstein wrote: > > > Does continuing this discussion really serve a purpose? Maybe we should ask Miriam for a response? I'm sure it must be very cathartic or self-edifying. And no, there's no need for a response: there are definite ways to determine if she's a nazi or demi-nazi (i.e.: a not-so-good-a-person-as-the-rest-of-us): Have your cows been giving sour milk? Are your crops doing poorly? Try chucking her in a lake with a millstone tied around her neck- if she sinks, she's not a witch, uh, nazi that is. ------------------------------ From: mary@catalogue.com (Mary Robinson Crews) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:44:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. >Ed Rothstein wrote: >> >> Does continuing this discussion really serve a purpose? Maybe we should >ask Miriam for a response? in the interest of hastening this thread to its demise, i'll poke my neck out of lurkdom and attempt to change the subject. forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but have y'all seen Iggy on Nickolodeon's Pete & Pete? he's got a recurring role as the father of littler Pete's friend Nona Mecklenburg, and i think he's great. 'course i think the whole durn show is great for that matter, but what do y'all think? what other acting has Iggy done? _|__________________________|_ mary robinson crews | | mary@catalogue.com | FREEZE 'EM and EAT 'EM | http://www.catalogue.com/ | -Chilly Willee | http://www.chapel-hill.nc.us/ _|__________________________|_ ------------------------------ From: Mark Robinson Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:52:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Kicks, etc. >Anyway, I asked Billy if another one was on the way... he said he'd >love to do one, but the label/mail-order is just taking up too much time >for that right now. Damn shame, *Kicks* is one of the 'zines that set the standard. Although I am not a big rockabilly fan, the articles are a blast.....Handsome Dick giving the receipe for a fish fry....pictorials of Esquerita... The most for your entertainment dollar! Mark ------------------------------ From: "J. Emery" Date: 10 Jul 1996 14:03:18 U Subject: real kids apologies in advance to blair, who has heard me go on and on and on about these guys: speaking of the real kids, is it just me, or is that first real kids album the best album ever made! i have never heard a band sound so enthusiastic making a record. to me they were like a late 70s version of CCR, only better. i was so blown away by that album i promptly went out and bought a rickenbacker. when the norton reissue came out i took it to the counter at a local record store and asked the guys behind the counter what they sounded like - both guys immediately assumed guitar poses and said, "They Rock!!!" i practically haven't stopped listening to it since i bought it 2 years ago. the ultimate record to listen to when life is shitty. the "Grown Up Wrong" cd is great too - terrible sound quality, but great songs, great energy. if anyone ever saw these guys live or has any good stories or current info, i'd love to hear about it. joe ------------------------------ From: scaf@pro-net.co.uk (Steve Coleman) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:08:22 GMT Subject: RE: Kicks Magazine >Similarly Kicks has this total hard-assed anti-sissy, rockabilly attitude >which absolutely does not reflect Billy & Miriam's personal behavior. I >mean they go on about Sting's over-intellectual fey British behavior like >they're condemning all kinds of people, which isn't what they're doing at >all. I mean, I have seen stuff they did in print about how they don't like >British artists, music after 1963, etc. Yet that's not really the case. Funny to relate that a couple of years ago when the A-Bones were due to play the St Johns Tavern here in London, one or two of us were apprehensive about the gig. Particularly after digesting several years of Limey abuse in 'Kicks'. In fact rumour had spread to the promoter that Billy was a difficult person to work with. Thankfully this was very far from the truth. On entering the venue Mr M uttered "At last, a real rock'n'roll venue" (this was to be the last gig of a European tour). Not only that but Miriam had a picture of Viv Prince embossed on the bass drum. Without being too over the top this was one of the best gigs at the venue, total audience participation and the band giving 100%. They certainly enjoyed the company of their English speaking cousins that night. Quite a pleasant surpass in view of the 'Kicks' typical editorial line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Steve Coleman (scaf@pronews.pro-net.co.uk) FLESHTONES HALL OF FAME http://idun.unl.ac.uk/~hfa9colemas/fhof.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Ben Waugh Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:39:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. To wit, Iggy's appeared briefly in the following films: Sid & Nancy (cameo at Chelsea hotel) Cry Baby (played cheesey, good-hearted, MD hick) Some lame Sci-Fi flick - I think the catchy term "cyborg" was in the title Boy's Town (stunt dbl for Mickey Rooney in scene with Fthr Flanagan) ------------------------------ From: "D.J. Johnson" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Iggy & Pete On Wed, 10 Jul 1996, Mary Robinson Crews wrote: > forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but have y'all seen Iggy on > Nickolodeon's Pete & Pete? he's got a recurring role as the father of > littler Pete's friend Nona Mecklenburg, and i think he's great. 'course i > think the whole durn show is great for that matter, but what do y'all > think? what other acting has Iggy done? Yeah, Iggy's just surreal enough on his own to make that character work. I agree with you, Mary. Pete and Pete is a fantastic show. Really just about the only redemption Nik has since they cancelled Roundhouse. I love the way they use the scary green and purple lighting on Iggy's face so often, and show him mostly in shadowy places at night. Man, there are a lot of great characters on that show. I miss Artie, though... I even like the poppy theme song. Deej ------------------------------ From: Dgett Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:13:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] >Sid & Nancy (cameo at Chelsea hotel) >Cry Baby (played cheesey, good-hearted, MD hick) >Some lame Sci-Fi flick - I think the catchy term "cyborg" was in the >title >Boy's Town (stunt dbl for Mickey Rooney in scene with Fthr Flanagan) Iggy also appeared in Tank Girl as a dirty old man and as "Sally" (Salvador?) in Dead Man. Plus his appearances in Pete and Pete(the best show on TV..shame they're taking it off the air) - -Dgett ------------------------------ From: Chris Barrus Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:28:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Miriam, Kicks, Nazis, Stooges, etc. >To wit, Iggy's appeared briefly in the following films: > >Sid & Nancy (cameo at Chelsea hotel) >Cry Baby (played cheesey, good-hearted, MD hick) >Some lame Sci-Fi flick - I think the catchy term "cyborg" was in the >title >Boy's Town (stunt dbl for Mickey Rooney in scene with Fthr Flanagan) >From the Internet Movie Database: Crow: City of Angels, The (1996) .... Curve ... aka Crow II, The (1996) 2.Atolladero (1995) 3.Dead Man (1995) .... Salvatore "Sally" Jenko 4.Tank Girl (1995) .... Rat Face 5.Cry-Baby (1990) .... Belevedere 6.Hardware (1990) .... Angry Bob ... aka M.A.R.K. 13 (1990) 7.Coffee and Cigarettes (1986) .... Iggy/Jim Pop 8.Color of Money, The (1986) .... Skinny Player on the Road 9.Sid and Nancy (1986) .... Prospective Guest ... aka Sid and Nancy: Love Kills (1986) 10.Rock & Rule (1983) (voice) .... Monster from another Dimension ... aka Rock 'n' Rule (1983) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barrus - No-Fi, IndieWeb, etc. | Who would argue with the "Eyes http://www.pacificnet.net/~xibalba/ | of Frozen Shrimp" on your side? ------------------------------ From: User Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: real kids Well... first of all, as Joe mentioned, I heartily second his opinion of The Real Kids. Truly one of the greatest groups I've ever had the pleasure to hear. Now, while I was too young to see The Real Kids when they were actually around the first time (I'm 30 now), I was lucky enough to see them... 3 times, I think, when they got back together. The first show was their reunion gig at the Rat in July of '91. At that point, some friends and I were already getting pretty into the Real Kids thanks to The Vacant Lot's version of "All Kindsa Girls", as well as tapes friends had made. At that time, all I owned was the "She"/"She's A Mess" (live) 7"er (New Rose, I think), and that was the later lineup. (Still genius, though.) The news of a Real Kids reunion had come about two months earlier and it looked as if we'd have - at the very least - my car filled, as well as Billy & Miriam's van. As it turned out, it ended up being just me, Billy, and Miriam in my car. That night was a dream... just about the whole first album, plus a couple other songs. I rarely go to Boston, but to see The Real Kids at the Rat... well, it was a must. (The few other times I've gone have been for the return of The Lyres in November of '90, plus the DMZ reunion in May of '93... oh yeah, a couple others, including The Real Kids in '92.) All I can say is that I was in heaven. Unfortunately, it looked like that was that. Especially since one of the guys ended up in a coma for a little while around Thanksgiving of that year... and it looked like he wasn't going to come out of it OK, if at all. But he did. That Spring, the Real Kids played The Rat again. This time, I drove up with my friend Addie. Both of us went up to the guys and begged them to come down to NYC and play, telling them that there were a ton of people there who'd love to see them. Well, they did... that September, they played Maxwells in Hoboken with The Fleshtones. Yeah, a Red Star Records reunion. Marty Thau was there. John Felice saw him and dedicated "Who Needs You" to him, saying, "This one goes out to Marty Thau... Who Needs You... Marty... Baby." (I believe John feels Marty screwed them over way back when.) Anyway, many people taped that show... a really great one. Again, mostly the first LP, but some other ones thrown in, too. If anyone wants the set list, I can probably dig it up and type it out. Sadly, Alpo was in a car accident a few days before Thanksgiving of '92 and he will need to do some serious physical therapy on one of his hands, I think, before he can play again. The Real Kids haven't played since. John has soldiered on, with a group called the Devotions. For a while they were on-again, off-again, but they did a killer show at Maxwells in December opening for the Fleshtones. It was great hearing some of the old Real Kids material, but I found myself comparing those versions to the originals. Much more fulfilling were his newer songs, many of which were on par with the old stuff. I know the band recorded with Steve Wynn producing, but it hasn't come out yet. On the Real Kids front, Billy Miller said there's gonna be something else coming from Norton. I'm not sure if it's live or unreleased studio material. Blair One more thing: Billy was telling me that the Taxi Boys record is really The Real Kids... it's just that by the time it came out, the group had split up and the Taxi Boys had become the reality. Can anyone else tell me more abou this? ------------------------------ From: mary@catalogue.com (Mary Robinson Crews) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:27:50 -0400 Subject: Re: At 4:13 PM 7/10/96, Dgett wrote: > Iggy also appeared in Tank Girl as a dirty old man and as "Sally" (Salvador?) > in Dead Man. Plus his appearances in Pete and Pete(the best show on TV..shame > they're taking it off the air) WHAT!!! they're taking Pete & Pete off the air? omigod. how can they? definitely gets my vote for best show on TV, Iggy or no Iggy. oh the horrors... +---------------------------------+ mary robinson crews | FREEZE 'EM and EAT 'EM | mary@catalogue.com | --Chilly Willee | +---------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Plattrpuss@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:20:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #28 In a message dated 96-07-10 09:11:19 EDT, you write: >I don't know about photos or history. I just know what I read and how they >operate which seems pretty good to me. Miriam has a very good rep in the >business. > >Does continuing this discussion really serve a purpose? Maybe we should >ask Miriam for a response? Maybe we should just move on? > > After reading all this stuff about Miriam and Kicks mag for the last week or so I've just gotta add my 2-cents worth. Miriam is one of the sweetest and nicest people I know, not just on the R&R scene but anywhere. The picture in question was a joke (one that I'm sure she regrets) but nothing more. She is one of the most un-bigoted and un-racist people around. As for Kicks, sure they're totally subjective and opinionated. That's why it's a fanzine and not Rolling Stone. While they do get a bit carried away in putting down the music they hate, that's a big part of their charm. Calling Sting an art fag does NOT make anyone a homophobe. If you want to talk about an offensively racist and homophobic zine, let's mention "Black To Comm" and the infamous Chris Stigliano. ------------------------------ From: Squishy@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:34:55 -0400 Subject: Re: real kids >if anyone ever saw these guys live or has any good stories or current info, i'd love to hear about it.< I spoke to John Felice a couple months ago and he said he had a new version of the band that was "the best yet" and I had the impression they were playing around the east coast. Surprised there's been no reports on them yet. Greg ------------------------------ End of Bomp V96 #29 ******************* You have been reading Bomp-digest. For subscription requests, send a message to majordomo@bolis.com containing "subscribe Bomp-digest" or "unsubscribe Bomp-digest"