From: Bomp-Digest-Sender To: bomp-digest@bolis.com Subject: Bomp V96 #53 Reply-To: Bomp@bolis.com Precedence: bulk Bomp Wednesday, 7 August 1996 Volume 96 : Number 053 In this issue: re: British Walkers Re: $2000 CD Players Re: Whatever happened to The Count? Re: Garage Fest in Denver? Re: Garage Fest in Denver? Re: Elevators Seen Cynics Re: Cuby & The Blizzards Re: Velvet Elvis Re: $2000 CD Players Beach Boys VS Kansas Re: Beach Boys VS Kansas >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? Re: $2000 CD Players Re: >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? CD Rot Re: Please send me your gara Message-Id: <96Aug6.145144edt.29443@gate.necx.com> unknown(?) bands ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lan Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:25:44 -0700 Subject: re: British Walkers As long as we're on the subject of the British Walkers, does anyone on = this list have personal recollections of other 60s bands from the = Washington, DC area (Chartbusters, Hangmen, Apollos, etc.)? I grew up in = the Maryland suburbs of DC and was fortunate enough to see a lot of the = bands that started in the 70s and early 80s, like Razz, the Slickees, = Bad Brains and the Reactions, but the mid-60s bands were a few years = before my time. Many years ago I heard a 45 version of "Baby Please Don't Go," by the = Apollos. This was probably the most ferocious cover of that song ever, = comparable to Dean Carter's "Jailhouse Rock" and the Animals' live = version of "Let It Rock." Does anyone have any information about this = single? ------------------------------ From: PETEP@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:39:31 -0400 Subject: Re: $2000 CD Players In a message dated 96-08-04 04:03:22 EDT, you write: >That is a matter of opinion of course. It took me ages to find a CD player >that I could even listen to without fatigue, and the worst seemed to be the >cheap 1DAC bitstream machines using mass-produced chip-sets (liky my >Discman). I finally settled on a Teac Esoteric 500 transport and US-made >Bitwise D/A converter, at a cost of around $2000 Aust (much less in the US). >The best stuff I have heard is the Krell Transport-D/A setup, and the Theta >gear also. 6-12K in Aus, well outside my price range, but much more >affordable in the US. Drop outs on CDs, however, are usually nothing to do >with the equipment, they are usually an indication of a re-issue mastered >from deteriorated tapes. I wouldn't be able to justify spending this much money on a CD player considering that most of the music I listen to really doesn't need this audiophile scrutiny. How would this CD player make 60's garage music or 50's R&B or rockabilly sound better? ------------------------------ From: Eddie Fung Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 22:36:45 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: Whatever happened to The Count? At 09:23 PM 03-08-96 GMT, you wrote: >OK here's one for all you Bostonphiles. > >Several years ago while rummaging round the Record & Tape Exchange in Camden >Town I found an ep by the Count in the 10p bin. The record was pressed in >1976 on the Varulven label came complete with promo postcards and lyric >sheet/chord tabulature. The record is the product of Joseph Allen Viglione >and he appears to have been based at Tufts University Branch, Medford, Mass. >Some of the photos show him onstage wearing a "Dracula" cape and sailors >hat! There's also a rather good shot of him sliding down a rail with his >arms (and cape) flung out wide. > > This record is so much fun and puts me in mind of another other >maverick from Boston - Jonathan Richman. So my question is who was this guy >and what ever happened to him? > >The Morn of the Confrontation; Whiskey Mama; The Salt Water Summers; Jodi >(Varulven Records Inc, 39 Beverly Rd, Arlington, Ma). > >Steve Hey if any of you guys or gals know, please inform me also. I have full length LP by The Count called 'I'm a Star' with the above 4 tracks on it as well as a version of Uncle Lou's 'Foggy Notion' on the Flamingo Record label (French pressing) . On the liner notes he gives further indications of his origins: ' ..along with my library of thousands of original tunes we play songs written by members of the band, somgs we enjoy by artists who've already made their mark (PILLS, SISTER RAY, BE MY BABY)....' Cheers, Eddie **************************************** * Address Mail to me with 'EDDIE - READ THIS . **************************************** ------------------------------ From: User Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Garage Fest in Denver? On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Russ Butner wrote: > I saw a poster for a garage rock festival in Denver on Aug. 1st and 2nd. > There were about 10 bands playing including The Marshamallow Overcoat. Does > anyone have any details about this show? Sorry to have to answer this one 6 days late, but I was in Colorado camping before the fuzztivities began. All I can say is that the three days/nights (August 1 - 3) of Treblefest were GREAT! Many thanks go to Michael Daboll and 360 Twist Records for a really good time. Also to Cheyne of Boss 302 and his gal for a wonderful afternoon BBQ that Friday that many Festers were present at. Unfortunately, I didn't make it to that music store they were all telling me about... the one with the Vox shrine. Hopefully, some pics will be sent my way, though. And maybe 360 Twist will do it again next year, enabling me to make my own personal pilgrimage to said shrine. (No, they won't sell anything.) All 15 bands did a good job, but the ones that truly stick out for me include The Hectics, The Hentchmen, & The Makers on the first night. (The latter closing it all down with a *fantastic* version of The Original Sins' "Out Of My Mind.") The second night, The Element 79, The Hatebombs, and The Swingin' Neckbreakers did the most for me. And the final night... well, just about everybody blew me away. Boss 302 were very cool opening it up... Fortune & Maltese got me dancing like a complete maniac (many of these moments were captured on video by at least 2-3 different people, so I can be blackmailed in the future, I guess), The Woggles were real good, especially when Montague came on stage for the second half of the set (he's rejoining the band and doesn't yet know the newer material.) Jeff Conolly appeared with the Swingin' Neckbreakers backing him, using the name Man or MonoMan? (or Thee Lyres, depending). They hadn't really had much rehearsal time together, but it was fun... especially since they did some songs you rarely hear in a Lyres' set these days... "In Motion", "Busy Man," "Mighty Idy," and "100 CCs" included. For those who missed it... well, you missed a GREAT time. Hopefully, Michael and 360 Twist will do it again next year. Blair ------------------------------ From: User Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Garage Fest in Denver? Yipes... Laura reminded me that, with all my mentionings of everyone else that last night, I didn't talk about Thee Headcoats. They were great. Much better than I'd been expecting, doing originals, covers (including "Why don't You Smile Now?" and "You're looking Fine"), and even some old Milkshakes numbers (like "She's Just 15 Years Old.") The perfect way to top off the fest. Blair ------------------------------ From: User Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Elevators Seen Cynics On Thu, 1 Aug 1996 William_Jones@ITA.DOC.GOV wrote: > I feel kinda privileged because I too have seen the "pool" appearance of > the 13th Floor Elevators, but I didn't know where the clip was from. Saw > it at a party on Long Island about 10 years ago, hosted by a guy named > John Battaglia (who played in a bunch of garage bands around NYC, > including the Phase One Psychotics). If someone knows him, say hello > and ask him about the clip!! Maybe Blair knows where to find 'im. My copy of The Elevators by the pool (provided by John Battaglia on a tape with all the Stones appearances on Ed Sullivan, some Badfinger, and some Stones appearance with, I think, Muddy Waters at a blues club) was co-opted some years back by a close friend. I gotta ask if he's still got it... quite a fun tape. I don't know where Battaglia is, but... well, I'm not looking for him, either. John also had a band called the Sporting Bachelors who did, I believe, one album (was it on Dionysus?). They also did songs for a few porn movies, since, according to John at the time, one of his HS friends was some big porn actress. I'm pretty sure he told me (this was many years back, so my memory isn't perfect) they did some stuff for a porn flick called Bright Lights, Big Titty, including the title cut which was, of course, a rewritten cover of a classic. I never did hear this, though, so I can't say how it sounded. Back in the mid-80s, John Battaglia had more 60s videos than anyone I knew. Tons. In May, '86, The Mosquitos played every Sunday night at a local bar in Huntington called Chelsea's. Before, between, and after the sets, John would show cool garage videos. Some amazing stuff. By the way, he also used to tell us that he was the guy who sold Tom Petty all his Vox equipment. However, I've absolutely *no* idea how true this is. And I'd really prefer not to talk about the guy any more. ------------------------------ From: User Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Cuby & The Blizzards And if any of our Dutch pals would care to write a review for The Teen Scene, I'd be *extremely* grateful. Blair On Fri, 2 Aug 1996 TweeKid@aol.com wrote: > >From this weeks Billboard magazine: > > NETHERLANDS: Legendary blues outfit Cuby & The Blizzards will reunite for a > fall tour of the lowlands under the banner "Cuby is Back". > ------------------------------ From: cam Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Velvet Elvis > Lisa mentioned a club named Velvet Elvis and that reminded me of the > band by the same name that put out a CD on Enigma in the late 80's. I > think they were from Kentucky. It wasn't the rockin'est thing around, but > I thought they had some decent songs. Anyone know if they had a > second album and/or what happened to the band? Just wonderin'. They were indeed from my hometown of Lexington, Kentucky. They broke up after their album. The guitar player had another band called the Strolling Runes for a while, and Jeff, the keyboard player, is currently in a top-notch country/blues/Kinks-circa-Muswell Hillbillies-esque band called the Yonders, which also features an old Resurrected Bloated Floaters member. The Yonders are working on their 2nd CD. - -chad ------------------------------ From: mrowles@minn.net (Mike Rowles) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 23:36:48 -0500 Subject: Re: $2000 CD Players > >I wouldn't be able to justify spending this much money on a CD player > considering that most of the music I listen to really doesn't need this >audiophile scrutiny. How would this CD player make 60's garage music or 50's >R&B or rockabilly sound better? > One of the 1st CDs I bought after I got a CD player was the 1st Clash LP. Listen to how clear that distortion is! - -------------------------- Wanted Old Slot Cars HO, 1/32nd & 1/24th Scales mrowles@minn.net mike.rowles@tclbbs.com - -------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Plattrpuss@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 01:41:03 -0400 Subject: Beach Boys VS Kansas In a message dated 96-08-04 04:03:22 EDT, you write: >Note: When I say influential, I'm speaking of the Beach Boys as business >entreprise not as creative endeavor. > >Kansas, Styx, et al. are hoping for that same kind of longevity. It's >rather pathetic, isn't it? But everybody's got to make a living. Personally, I think that the Beach Boys music is some of the best Rock & Roll made in the 60s (or ever). Brian Wilson is a genius, do doubt about it. Whatever commercial success their music enjoys 30 years later is well deserved. How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? ------------------------------ From: Greg Colburn Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 02:45:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Beach Boys VS Kansas Plattrpuss@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 96-08-04 04:03:22 EDT, you write: > > >Note: When I say influential, I'm speaking of the Beach Boys as business > >entreprise not as creative endeavor. > > > >Kansas, Styx, et al. are hoping for that same kind of longevity. It's > >rather pathetic, isn't it? But everybody's got to make a living. > > Personally, I think that the Beach Boys music is some of the best Rock & Roll > made in the 60s (or ever). Brian Wilson is a genius, do doubt about it. > Whatever commercial success their music enjoys 30 years later is well > deserved. How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, > Styx etc? Musically, I'm not. My point is that the Beach Boys as a business entreprise are the blueprint for a lot of bands--most of them terrible like Styx--who, having fallen out of commercial favor, decide to cash in on the summer barn nostalgia circuit--just as the Beach Boys have been doing for the last 20-25 years. Like you said, the Beach Boys were one of the great bands of the sixties. But once Brian Wilson withdrew/went mad/broke down in the mid/late 60s, the Beach Boys as a creative force in the pop/rock world came to a halt. Yet they still manage to make a rather decent living every summer year, churning out the songs they recorded over 30 years ago. Of course, most musicians wish they had those songs to fall back on. ------------------------------ From: Mark Robinson Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:02:25 -0400 Subject: >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? Carbon dating.... Mark ------------------------------ From: Tony Dale Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:44:37 +0930 Subject: Re: $2000 CD Players At 11:39 PM 4/08/96 -0400, PETEP@aol.com wrote: >I wouldn't be able to justify spending this much money on a CD player > considering that most of the music I listen to really doesn't need this >audiophile scrutiny. How would this CD player make 60's garage music or 50's >R&B or rockabilly sound better? Some of those recordings were crystal clear analog gems, free of of the sometimes flat dry sound of today's digital recordings. Not so much a lot of the garage stuff (although I was listening to the UK Decal CD of 'Easter Everywhere' today and that was sweet) but certainly some of the early R&R, R&B and Rockabilly. Listen to some of the Sun studios stuff or Roy Orbison. If the CD transcription is properly done, they will sound much more live and have large sound-stages. A high end CD player definitely comes into its own when playing transcriptions of, say, late 60s UK folk and "krautrock", and re-issues of 50s/60s Mercury Living Presence and Decca classics, serving to remind me at least, that we have forgotten more about the art of recording music (of whatever type) than we have retained. But, if a $200 CD player works for you, rejoice, and consider yourself fortunate. There are plenty of other uses to put the cash to. o---------------------------------o----------------------------o |Anthony Dale |'That Was Now, This Is Then'| |http://www.adam.com.au/~aadale | - Faine Jade | o---------------------------------o----------------------------o ------------------------------ From: Frank Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 08:56:07 -0400 Subject: Re: >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? Mark Robinson wrote: > > >How can you even think of putting them in the same class as Kansas, Styx etc? > > Carbon dating.... > > Mark Excellent! Their early instrumental stuff is fun, though. ------------------------------ From: Bob Pisciotta Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 09:34:09 -0600 Subject: CD Rot A recent issue of a music newsletter had a notice about a particular label's problems with something called CD rot. Evidently, this label's products, on occasion, visibly deteriorate--the CD itself becomes brown and mottled looking. I've heard about this before, but haven't paid much attention. For some reason this notice really caught my attention. Does anyone have any further information to share about this? Is this a real problem? Does it affect particular labels, or is it a more widespread problem? Is it related to the way the CDs are stored or manufactured? Can it be prevented or minimized? Can you continue to play CDs with "rot?" Is this an excellent excuse to stick with vinyl or is this all a pointless scare? I have a fairly large collection of discs and would like some reassurance. Thanks. Bob Pisciotta Prairie Village, KS ------------------------------ From: "Laura Taylor" Date: 6 Aug 1996 14:08:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Please send me your gara RE>Please send me your garage links 8/6/96 to this guy: do you want "garage" bands, or also bands with a Bomp!-like mentality? you can e-mail me directly at: laura@wusf.usf.edu - -------------------------------------- Date: 7/26/96 8:51 AM To: Laura Taylor From: Bomp@bolis.com I'm doing separate link pages for each genre of music for Cosmik Debris (a small scale version of what the MusicWeb project will hopefully be someday), and I don't have much for garage music yet. If you have a site that deals with garage, or if you know of some, please send the URL to me in e-mail. Thanks in advance. Deej - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Cosmik Debris E-Zine: No dead trees or paper cuts! http://www.greatgig.com/cosmikdebris Ascii subscriptions at moonbaby@serv.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mark Robinson Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:02:29 -0400 Subject: Message-Id: <96Aug6.145144edt.29443@gate.necx.com> >Evidently, this label's products, on occasion, visibly deteriorate--the CD itself becomes brown and mottled looking. Several years ago, Phillips in the UK, acknowledged a number of bad batches of CD's. It appears that these CD's are prone to oxidation causing the nonplaying side of the CD to turn a golden color. This oxidation eventual causes the CD to become unplayable. As far as I know there is no way to reverse or prevent the problem. However, Phillips was willing to replace the CD free of charge as long as the CD was still in production. If the CD was no longer induction the company would replace the defective disc with a CD of your choice. Those CD's that might be affected have the markings of "Phillips, UK" marked on the disc. Sorry, I don't have the address, but you may try searching to see if they have a WEB sight with more information. They were pretty good about getting me an alternative to the Chocolate Watchband's "44" compilation. Hope this helps. Mark ------------------------------ From: "Donald G. Smith" Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:57:37 -0400 Subject: unknown(?) bands a friend said he just got in a big collection of singles including the following... Birds & Bees, Cavemen, Dovells, Flock, Herd, and the Four Guys anyone know if they are garage or crap? email me privately... thanks Don ------------------------------ End of Bomp V96 #53 ******************* You have been reading Bomp-digest. 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