From: Bomp-Digest-Sender To: bomp-digest@bolis.com Subject: Bomp V96 #93 Reply-To: Bomp@bolis.com Precedence: bulk Bomp Tuesday, 17 September 1996 Volume 96 : Number 093 In this issue: Same names the grave robberz -Reply RE: Alternative Graves Re: Bomp V96 #90 Re: Same names RE: Alternative Graves -Reply Re: the grave robberz -Reply Re: Bomp V96 #90 Re: the grave robberz -Reply -Reply The Belmondos Re: Bomp V96 #90 -Reply Re: Bomp V96 #90 Re: Bomp V96 #90 Re: Bomp V96 #90 -Reply Band names (was: Re: Bomp V96 #90) Thee Grayve Diggerz Re: Bomp V96 #90 Re: Same names Re: Same names Re: Same names Re: Same names ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dgett Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 00:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Same names Since we are sharing stories of bands inadvertantly stealing each other's names, I might as well share my friend's story. My friend started the SoCal band, The Invisible Men, who played locally for a while before discovering the Pacific Northwest band of the same name (comprised of ex-Rip Offs, I think) He wrote them, and they agreed to drop the name, until Estrus approached them and decided to put out a 7". They recorded the album and released it under the Invisible Men. Weird how these things happen. Speaking of this, anyone know of bands out there calling themselves The Ephedrines? (as my band will be called this if it is not taken) - -Padgett ------------------------------ From: Erica Wissolik Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:55:04 -0500 Subject: the grave robberz -Reply The Graverobbers are a band here in Washington DC. They've already put out a few CDs and members have played SXSW as well as toured the country. Might not be a good idea.... - --Erica >>> Laura Taylor 09/12/96 08:51pm >>> Does anyone know: 1. If this name is already taken? 2. If I'll be sued should I use it? thanks! lounge laura laura@wusf.usf.edu ------------------------------ From: "Bill Holmes" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 13:13:58 UT Subject: RE: Alternative Graves If you registered the name, you have legal precedent. If you did not, however, it's a harder road. Even though you put records out, the other band could make a case that they checked the copyright registry to secure the name (like corporations must before officially doing business) and no one had registered it. They could then claim that (1) they've been using the name for a long time (as you have) and (2) they either never got your letter (what?? Lying during legal process??) or ignored it as they knew you had not registered the name and therefore had no reason to fear recourse. Good luck!! * Bill Holmes * http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/8282 * bholmes_fm@msn.com - ---------- From: Bomp-Sender@bolis.com on behalf of Mattdietr@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 1996 2:00 PM To: Bomp@bolis.com Subject: Re: Alternative Graves I've been troubled by the band name issue for three years now. My band, the Aquavelvets, released a blue vinyl EP in 1992. A year later, Heyday released an album by the Aqua Velvets, the surf band from San Francisco. We had never heard of them, but thought it was pretty funny that two bands would pick this name (with a slight spelling variation). So I wrote to them, their record company and their fan club, and sent a copy of our record (which had been sold through Bomp, Metro and a few other such places). I was really only trying to avoid trouble. But they ignored the letters and subsequent faxes. So we proceeded to make a couple more records and pretty much forgot about the name issue. Now the other Aqua Velvets are signed to Milan, which is distributed by BMG, which has lots of marketing muscle. So what do we do? So far, nothing. Who wants to mess with all this when you should be making music? I just wish those guys had written back three years ago and threatened legal action so we (being complete cowards) would have just changed our name before making two more records, playing lots of shows, printing T-shirts, etc. Blair says keep the name and forget it. And, hey, if Blair says so, that's all we need to hear! Matt ------------------------------ From: Andrea Lauritzen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:25:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 At 11:38 AM 9/14/96, you wrote: >Why doesn't anyone come with an original name anymore? I mean, why >would you WANT to have a name that a bunch of other bands, including >ones that actually have released records, have used? > Umm..hello? Is ANYTHING original anymore? EVERYTHING has been done before. ------------------------------ From: Andrea Lauritzen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:30:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Same names At 04:32 AM 9/16/96, you wrote: >Speaking of this, anyone know of bands out there calling themselves The >Ephedrines? (as my band will be called this if it is not taken) > >-Padgett > WHAT A GREAT NAME!!!! Okay, my turn...anyone hear of a band called the DoBadders? (sorta like do-gooders, but different.) That's the name I'm trying to use. Andrea P.S. So, are other people on the bomp list gonna steal some of the names we're coming up with? ------------------------------ From: Erica Wissolik Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:40:00 -0500 Subject: RE: Alternative Graves -Reply You can't register a copyright on a name, phrase or title. There is no such thing as a copyright for a band name. You can copyright intellectual property only - the lyrics and music - but never the titles of the songs or the names of the bands. You "trademark" words and phrases. Copyrights are separate and different from trademarks and the two are subject to entirely different sections of US law. And, unlike a copyright, you cannot claim a trademark until you register it with Patent and Trademark, and you can only register it after you have already begun using the mark in commerce. - --Erica >>> Bill Holmes 09/16/96 08:13am >>> If you registered the name, you have legal precedent. If you did not, however, it's a harder road. Even though you put records out, the other band could make a case that they checked the copyright registry to secure the name (like corporations must before officially doing business) and no one had registered it. They could then claim that (1) they've been using the name for a long time (as you have) and (2) they either never got your letter (what?? Lying during legal process??) or ignored it as they knew you had not registered the name and therefore had no reason to fear recourse. ------------------------------ From: "Laura Taylor" Date: 16 Sep 1996 10:33:07 -0400 Subject: Re: the grave robberz -Reply RE>the grave robberz -Reply 9/16/96 I hear they're broken up...and due to the pompous replies on this list, it makes me want to use the name all the more! So there! :^P - -------------------------------------- Date: 9/16/96 9:15 AM To: Laura Taylor From: Bomp@bolis.com The Graverobbers are a band here in Washington DC. They've already put out a few CDs and members have played SXSW as well as toured the country. Might not be a good idea.... - --Erica >>> Laura Taylor 09/12/96 08:51pm >>> Does anyone know: 1. If this name is already taken? 2. If I'll be sued should I use it? thanks! lounge laura laura@wusf.usf.edu ------------------------------ From: Greg Colburn Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:45:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 Andrea Lauritzen wrote: > > At 11:38 AM 9/14/96, you wrote: > > >Why doesn't anyone come with an original name anymore? I mean, why > >would you WANT to have a name that a bunch of other bands, including > >ones that actually have released records, have used? > > > Umm..hello? Is ANYTHING original anymore? EVERYTHING has been done > before. I disagree. Why form your own band if EVERYTHING's been done before? Why go through all that hard work and frustration if it's all been done before? A new rock band--one that plays original music--is, by its very existence, a vessel of hope. Greg ------------------------------ From: Erica Wissolik Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 10:54:07 -0500 Subject: Re: the grave robberz -Reply -Reply No they haven't broken up. They still travel and play frequently. >>> Laura Taylor 09/16/96 09:33am >>> RE>the grave robberz -Reply 9/16/96 I hear they're broken up...and due to the pompous replies on this list, it makes me want to use the name all the more! So there! :^P ------------------------------ From: LaniDoe@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:08:23 -0400 Subject: The Belmondos Someone was looking for Belmondos recorded stuff, but I don't remember who. Whoever you are, e-mail me, I have an address for you. ------------------------------ From: Mark Robinson Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 13:19:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 -Reply Call yerselfs the New Beatles, or the New Who or the Sons the Grateful Dead. Piss off the legal departments of these institutions, get sued, get press....lots of press, whine in a five second snippet on Entertainment tonight and make money. It boils down to "Sell The Swindle". Mark >>> Lisa Lindstrom 09/14/96 10:23am >>> Why doesn't anyone come with an original name anymore? I mean, why would you WANT to have a name that a bunch of other bands, including ones that actually have released records, have used? ------------------------------ From: "Laura Taylor" Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:38:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 RE>>Bomp V96 #90 9/16/96 what's *your* problem, washed up?;^) Seriously, I appreciate all the help, but I think it's time to relax...I might use some other suggestions, but Thee Grayve Diggerz seems to be agreeable to all my parties, and that's what counts to me... Thanks, anyway Lounge Laura laura@wusf.usf.edu HA! - -------------------------------------- Date: 9/14/96 11:40 AM To: Laura Taylor From: Bomp@bolis.com Why doesn't anyone come with an original name anymore? I mean, why would you WANT to have a name that a bunch of other bands, including ones that actually have released records, have used? ------------------------------ From: Frank Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:09:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 Shaved Jesus Torture Farm; Hillbilly Helper; Heroin Clownpit; Liquorice Sooterkinds... a virtual plethora of appellations. "Why call yourself Revenge when you can call yourself Primer Gray Erection" (paraphrase of quote by) Jellomould Biafra ------------------------------ From: Andrea Lauritzen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:09:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 -Reply At 02:39 PM 9/16/96, you wrote: > >Call yerselfs the New Beatles, or the New Who or the Sons the Grateful >Dead. Piss off the legal departments of these institutions, get sued, get >press....lots of press, whine in a five second snippet on Entertainment >tonight and make money. Get a hit record, have your 15 minutes of fame, and wind up on VH-1's "Big 90's" in 15 years! HA! (or would it be "Gay 90's" -- I WISH!) I'm not ragging on anyone here, honestly, just making a few dry jokes. Andrea >It boils down to "Sell The Swindle". Hey -- is that a Smugglers LP? (no jab meant towards those gents either! Just another one of Andrea's stupid jokes.) ------------------------------ From: Chris Barrus Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:05:54 -0700 Subject: Band names (was: Re: Bomp V96 #90) At 2:09 PM -0400 9/16/96, Frank wrote: >Shaved Jesus Torture Farm; Hillbilly Helper; Heroin Clownpit; Liquorice >Sooterkinds... a virtual plethora of appellations. If you're *really* stuck on a band name, there's a Macintosh HyperCard stack out there called "Name Generator" which can spit out as many names as you want, need, or care. As I recall, it can also generate fake science-fiction gadget names too, such as "magneto-dipolar hydrothruster", "the combustotron", etc. It's available at all the usual net places (info-mac, etc.) - -c. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Barrus - No-Fi, IndieWeb, etc. | Who would argue with the "Eyes http://www.pacificnet.net/~xibalba/ | of Frozen Shrimp" on your side? ------------------------------ From: Andrea Lauritzen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:16:13 -0400 Subject: Thee Grayve Diggerz At 04:45 PM 9/16/96, you wrote: but Thee Grayve Diggerz seems to be >agreeable to all my parties, and that's what counts to me... > Right on, Laura, just go with your gut feelings... Reminds me, my friend Matt and I a few years ago were in silly mode and were coming up with all these dumb names for a female band. The metal band (sorry we were obsessed with the 80's too) would be called BUXXOM (comlete with umlaut), the grunge band would be called TIT and the garage band would be either THEE MIGHT BOOBICLES or THEE BREASTESES. Yes, very juvenile and possibly sexist. Don't flame me, please. Matt's other idea was FLAG SABBATH, which would combine Black Flag and Black Sabbath songs (obviously), such as "I Am Family Man" and "Paranoid Depression". But I am now waaaaaaayyy off course for the usual bomp list discussions, possibly? I've had a long work day and lots o' coffee and just wanted to see if anyone else there has the same sense of humor as I... Andrea ------------------------------ From: Andrea Lauritzen Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:07:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Bomp V96 #90 At 12:02 PM 9/16/96, you wrote: >> Umm..hello? Is ANYTHING original anymore? EVERYTHING has been done >> before. > >I disagree. Why form your own band if EVERYTHING's been done before? Why >go through all that hard work and frustration if it's all been done >before? A new rock band--one that plays original music--is, by its very >existence, a vessel of hope. > >Greg > I still stand by what I said earlier, not so much that I've "been there, done that" (believe me I HAVEN'T), but because I find it hard to believe that someone, SOMEWHERE hasn't at least THOUGHT of, if not done, whatever I'm thinking/doing. Maybe I'm just jaded. Why form your own band? Maybe to play music that you love, regardless of whether or not it's been done before. My dream is to play 96 tears-style organ, and I won't kid myself into thinking I'm breaking new ground. Not to say that bands out there are kidding themselves -- it's great to see enthusiastic new and old bands. I don't know what "original music" would be. Do you mean original songs (as in not covers)? I just think it's great to see someone up on stage putting 110% and sweating like a damn pig because he/she loves what he/she is doing! There's nothing worse than seeing talented musicians playing in bands to get paid but not really enjoying themselves (and unfortunately there are many out there, and some don't have a choice!). But yes, Greg, seeing new bands playing original music, or at least music they -- and I -- love, is a vessel of hope. Regards, Andrea ------------------------------ From: Brian Phillips Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Same names Then, of course, there is the Crypt-Kicker V D. Racula ------------------------------ From: User Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Same names On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Dgett wrote: > My friend started the SoCal band, The Invisible Men, who played locally for a > while before discovering the Pacific Northwest band of the same name (comprised > of ex-Rip Offs, I think) I can't remember who else was involved, but I know that Zack of The Statics was in The Invisible Men in Seattle... they did some stuff for Estrus and, I think, Rat City, maybe. ------------------------------ From: Frank Uhle Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Same names Hey, this name thing is not solely confined to the 90s. There were tons of 60s bands that had the same names, even with records out regionally (& even nationally). How many Fugitives, Chosen Fews, Plagues, and more were there. And, there were at least 2 Iguanas, Psychotics, Cryan' (Cryin') Shames, Kaleidoscopes, Chocolate Watch Bands, even (there apparently was a second band of that name in the U.K.!) Frank ------------------------------ From: Cyclops490@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 01:58:53 -0400 Subject: Re: Same names In a message dated 96-09-17 00:06:28 EDT, blairb1@gramercy.ios.com (User) writes: >On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Dgett wrote: > >> My friend started the SoCal band, The Invisible Men, who played locally for a >> while before discovering the Pacific Northwest band of the same name (comprised >> of ex-Rip Offs, I think) > >I can't remember who else was involved, but I know that Zack of >The Statics was in The Invisible Men in Seattle... they did some stuff for >Estrus and, I think, Rat City, maybe. Right-o. Some of the Fall-Outs, too. Their Estrus single is OK, pretty mediocre. Zappa and Childish covers. Funny you mention the L.A. Invisible Men. I went to see them open for Servotron, but two of their girlfriends got mugged and so they didn't play. I think Gregg "Lord" Hunt and Shane from the Bomboras are in there, right? Ran into them the other day at Barnes'n'Noble. Oh, w/r/t the new Bomboras singles comp, I think a lot of their singles are better than their album; (they really sound nothing like that live) they have a pair of vocals that are shining examples of garage rock. Yessiree. Go buy that CD from Dionysus. Hooray for bonus tracks. Also, they've got a 10" coming out in a month or so and an album after that. I realize it's silly to ask for a favor in my first post to bomp-l, but well, y'see, the Estrus Invitationals are this Sunday in L.A. and they were just moved from an all ages venue to Spaceland, which is 21+. Long story short, I'm 16. Anyone wanna help me get in? I'd be mucho obliged. Thanks, Ben ------------------------------ End of Bomp V96 #93 ******************* You have been reading Bomp-digest. 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