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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 00:24:40 -0700
From: "Allan G. Waite" <agwaite@dakotacom.net>
Subject: Re: Oldies radio--reply

Bob Pisciotta wrote:
> 
> Oldies radio is the modern day equivalent of what the elevator-style
> Easy Listening format was in the 70s-80s.  The won't play anything
> that would make the dentist's receptionist even think about changing
> the station.>>>>>>>>
> 
> Oldies radio in Kansas City really sucks, too.  Tight playlists of boring
> music make my ears bleed.  I stopped listening when I heard Sugar Sugar for
> the 200th time.
> 
> But I have this vague recollection.  I'm driving from Cleveland to
> Columbus, Ohio in 1985.  I channel surf until I find a 60s oriented radio
> station out of Akron.  Hey, they're playing some great stuff--Kinks,
> Standells, Animals, Seeds.  I even remember some Pretty Things.  Not many
> ads.  The three hour drive felt like it took only 30 minutes.  The
> reception was lousy, so I'm guessing this was a college station's take on
> 60's music.
> 
> It was great programming.  Are there any stations doing this sort of
> thing??  I mean it wasn't just a dream, was it??

I had a surprising experience while driving through the hellish desert
between Phoenix and Los Angeles.  While trying to kill boredom by tuning
and retuning the radio to find new stations (which kept fading out), I
stumbled on a wonderful little oldies station in a podunk town just
inside the CA border.  They played more obscure 60s stuff and less known
50s rockabilly as well.  I was so happy to find something that was far
better that tolerable that I was sad when the station faded.  This
community was far too small to have a college radio station.  Go figure.
Is there such a thing as an aural mirage?

Allan


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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 01:13:58 +0000
From: mighty@wavenet.com
Subject: Re: Oldies radio--reply

> I had a surprising experience while driving through the hellish desert
> between Phoenix and Los Angeles.  While trying to kill boredom by tuning
> and retuning the radio to find new stations (which kept fading out), I
> stumbled on a wonderful little oldies station in a podunk town just
> inside the CA border.  They played more obscure 60s stuff and less known
> 50s rockabilly as well.  I was so happy to find something that was far
> better that tolerable that I was sad when the station faded.  This
> community was far too small to have a college radio station.  Go figure.
> Is there such a thing as an aural mirage?
> 
> Allan
===========================================================

my first post being back on this list after almost 2 yrs off...  

it's fair to assume, that oldies stations in small 'markets' (record
biz for 'cities') are prone to playing a wider range of music.

oldies stations to focus group research on their playlists just
like new music stations do, or kraft foods does for that matter.

sad to say, but if radio stations could play ads all day and get
people to listen to them they would.  their sole goal is to
sell advertising spots.  to them, the 'songs' are the commericals
to get you to listen to ads.  that is how much radio station owners
care about what they are playing.

well, there it is.  an ugly first post !  ::)

paul moshay
mighty recording co.
los angeles 78, calif.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:52:46 -0500
From: "Keith D'arcy" <KDARCY@mail.batesww.com>
Subject: Lemon Incest

Hey folks,

Slight correction to Laura's post about Serge Gainsbourg, the song
she mentions as "Lemon Incense" is actually a duet he sang with his
daughter Charlotte, who was about 12 at the time, and it's called
"Lemon Incest."  They shot a video promo for it which featured them
singing the song while in bed together.  Now, that's a bit perverse.

Keith.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:37:52 -0500 (EST)
From: DWalker295@aol.com
Subject: Beginners Guide....

Hello !
I am new to this list, and a big reason why I subscribed is to find a way
through the jungle of freakbeat and psychedelia that is filling up the
shelves in a number of stores.
So, my question is simple. Could anyone list, say, 10 albums that are viewed
as essential within the genre.
I know much will be down to personal taste, but there must be established
titles that are "must owns".
I look forward to hearing your views.
Cheers,
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:59:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Lelia Ellen Raley <leliar@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldies radio--reply

 Yeah, what is it with these schmos that they inundate you with NEIL
SEDAKA (AGGHH!!) but do they EVER play chart hits by, say, Bobby Bland?
Etta James?  The only black music you ever get is Motown, which, as we
know, isn't exactly *black* music.  And a occasional dose of "I Got You"
but you're a lot likelier to have to cringe through "A Thousand Stars"
yet AGAIN.

Gack, 
Lola

> > Oldies radio in Kansas City really sucks, too.  Tight playlists of boring
> > music make my ears bleed.  I stopped listening when I heard Sugar Sugar for
> > the 200th time.
> > 
> 
> 
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:11:17 -0600
From: tj@13fg.com (T.J. O'Brien)
Subject: Jeff Conolly and the Hentchmen 

I just got off the phone with the guy from the Magic Stick, and he gave me 
the same line up for the Detroit fest that someone just posted recently.  ? 
And The Mysterians, Kaisers, and The Cynics are still up in the air.  Jeff 
Conolly and The Hentchmen are definitely playing, though, so that's reason 
enough for me to be there.  The guy I talked to said tickets will be sold 
through Ticket Master, and that they'd be available in a couple of weeks.  

I talked with our bass player today and he told me that Mono Mann and The 
Hentchmen have already recorded something, and that there should be a couple 
of 45's coming out.  I don't know how he found out, but that's something to 
look forward to, for sure.  

Also- for you die-hard Hentchmen fans in the area (Midwest)- you might want 
to keep May 16 open on your calendar because the Oblivians, Hentchmen, Dirt 
Bombs (featuring Mick Collins of the Gories and Blacktop), and 13 Frightened 
Girls are all playing at the Gallery in Normal, IL. Personally, I can't wait 
to see Mick's new band- that'll be too cool....

- -T.J.  

  



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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:28:36 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <hagar@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Oldies radio--reply

Hold on for a sec.

I see your point about Motown (I can only imagine Marvin Gaye tipping a top
hat and saying, "Good Evening" per Gordy's instructions), however, Jr.
Walker and the All-Stars, Shorty Long and others certainly did cut some
very good R&B, all under the aegis of Motown (on the Soul label, to be sure).

The only black music you ever get is Motown, which, as we
>know, isn't exactly *black* music.  And a occasional dose of "I Got You"
>but you're a lot likelier to have to cringe through "A Thousand Stars"
>yet AGAIN.
>
>Gack, 
>Lola
>
>> > Oldies radio in Kansas City really sucks, too.  Tight playlists of boring
>> > music make my ears bleed.  I stopped listening when I heard Sugar
Sugar for
>> > the 200th time.
>> > 
>> 
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:28:30 -0500
From: mlawren1@explorer.csc.com
Subject: Re: Beginners Guide....

Paul Revere & the Raiders (whichever reissue contains "I'm Cryin')
Pretty Things (early recordings)
Plan 9: Frustration
Music Machine: Turn On
Music Machine: Beyond the Garage
Monks: Black Monk Time
Bad Seeds
13th Floor Elevators
Stooges 
Pebbles

DWalker295@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello !
> I am new to this list, and a big reason why I subscribed is to find a way
> through the jungle of freakbeat and psychedelia that is filling up the
> shelves in a number of stores.
> So, my question is simple. Could anyone list, say, 10 albums that are viewed
> as essential within the genre.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:42:33 -0500
From: ccarlson@valsmtp.riag.com
Subject: Radio?

     Everybody agrees:
     
     >Oldies radio in [your city here] really sucks...
     
     OK, my PC has no sound card, speakers etc so I'm not up on this, but 
     what is the general state of internet-based broadcasting? Will there 
     come a time in the near future when folks on the Bomp list will be 
     sending music back and forth like we do with e-mail now? Or better 
     yet, will anybody with a decent home PC setup be able to run their own 
     ad-hoc radio station, playing obscurities from their collections along 
     with deep observations that only manic collectors can provide?
     
     I realize there is the copyright thing, but the practical failure of 
     EMI to stop the On-Line Guitar Archive (OLGA) last year bodes well for 
     pirate or fanzine-type stations.
     
     Or am I living in a fool's paradise?
     
     Craig
     aka George Jetson
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:55:36 +0100
From: "Didier Georgieff" <dgieff@idefix.sdv.fr>
Subject: Serge ? perverse ?

On 13 Mar 97 at 10:52, Keith D'arcy wrote:

> Slight correction to Laura's post about Serge Gainsbourg, the song
> she mentions as "Lemon Incense" is actually a duet he sang with his
> daughter Charlotte, who was about 12 at the time, and it's called
> "Lemon Incest."  They shot a video promo for it which featured them
> singing the song while in bed together.  Now, that's a bit perverse.

Talking about perversity, there are numerous songs from serge with 
double sense. the most well-known are :
* 69 annee erotique (69 erotic year)
* Les sucettes (talking about a girl called Annie who loves anise 
lollipop with syrup). This song was first made for B.B but she didn't 
wanted to do it, and it was France Gall who sang that.
* Marilou (same idea as above, but with a more hidden sense)

He also made the music from emmanuelle (2 or 3 ?)
He told once that he was asked for doing the Emmanuelle #1 music 
picture, and he said no.
After the success of #1 he said that he saw the money made and he 
said yes to bunch of Grants for some next Emmanuelle music pictures 
(with cynical slow voice and tricky smile).


You can find here in France a really nice box set with ALL his songs, 
plus one CD with duets (not sure if it's in the box or outside). It's 
around 10-11 CD's from 58 till the end. 
Didier
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:57:47 -0500
From: ccarlson@valsmtp.riag.com
Subject: Re: PDX "garage" scene.

     >We've got a coupla other fossils out here <snip> (Graduated from H.S. 
     >in 69 or so),
     
     Kids these days...
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:25:09 -0500 (EST)
From: HayHuggins@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beginners Guide....

In a message dated 97-03-13 15:13:13 EST, you write:

<< Paul Revere & the Raiders (whichever reissue contains "I'm Cryin')
 Pretty Things (early recordings)
 Plan 9: Frustration
 Music Machine: Turn On
 Music Machine: Beyond the Garage
 Monks: Black Monk Time
 Bad Seeds
 13th Floor Elevators
 Stooges 
 Pebbles >>

Pretty good, but The Stooges aren't really my bag.  The Music Machine 'Beyond
the Garage' I found to be disappointing since, aside from the fact it's CD
only, there's nothing on there I liked that's not on a comp or 45 that I
liked. But if you don't have anything, I'd say its 1/2 worthwhile.  You'd be
better served to get a Seeds LP (still in print!!).  The Back from the Grave
series is excellent for wyld American 60's punk. The Diggin' for Gold series
is the nonAmerican Beat equivalent (as far as containing nothing but class
A-1 top notch stuff).  Remember when mining music from the past not to
overlook the obvious places (Stones, Beatles, Kinks, Monkees, Five Americans,
Easybeats, etc.) while trying to dig out the most obscur nuggets (or pebbles
or boulders or rubble).  In the 80's there were too many lookin' kids that
could tell you the first name of Q65's drummer (Joop!!) but couldn't name
more than 2 Kinks songs. You can't possibly take it all in at once, but get
what you can when you can.

Are you interested in 80s/90s bands??


Richard Whig
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:14:09 -0500
From: Morgan Wheelock Incorporated <mwi@pipeline.com>
Subject: Headcoats, really?

Forgive me if I'm being a dunce here, but I seem to recollect somebody
posting about a Headcoats show in Detroit or something - anyone have their
tour schedule (if one exists)?

THANK YOOOO!

- -D

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:20:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Tawsurf@aol.com
Subject: Re: Golden Cups

In a message dated 97-03-12 09:05:39 EST, hitomi@kiwi.co.jp (Hitomi I)
writes:

>Hi
>I should tell you sad news from Japanese '60s scene.
>Some days ago, Kenneth Ito (side guitar on Golden Cups)
>died in heart  failure.
>He sung 'Hey Joe','LSD Blues' (including Planet X  monster
>comp).
>I 'm collecting message to  send his family living in Hawaii .
>Please join the message, you can write in English.
>
>

now that band knew the damn deal!! the golden cups completely wailed. tell
his family that his voice still blasts through nashville radio many thursday
nites on the wrvu booze party. the golden cups were stunning....did kennith
also sing "love is my life"? todd
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 17:04:47 -0500
From: Evan Davies <evan@funk.mtvn.com>
Subject: Re: Radio?

>     Everybody agrees:
>     
>     >Oldies radio in [your city here] really sucks...

And let's not limit that to Oldies radio!

>     what is the general state of internet-based broadcasting?

Two states come to mind.  One, a number of radio stations in the US and 
elsewhere are already putting their signals on the net using Real Audio or 
similar technologies.  One directory of these can be found at 
<http://www.brsradio.com/webcasters>.  Sound quality is spotty, and since 
everyone already agrees that radio in every city stinks, why would you wnat to 
listen to someone else's stinky station on your computer?  Some of the 
international ones might be interesting, though -- and with any luck WFMU will 
start doing this someday.  (I'm listening to a station in Iceland as I type 
this; the bad news is they're playing the same music I hear in NYC: U2 into No 
Doubt.  Oh well... those Icelandic dj's sure sound weird, though.  I think 
just heard him say "Reykjavik!"  And I'll bet his last name ends in "son" or 
"dottir.")

Another trend is internet-only radio.  Companies such as Netcast 
(<http://www.netcast.com>) are developing technology that will not only 
broadcast music or other programming over the net, but give you information on 
what your listening to and maybe the opportunity to click and buy the CD.  Of 
course, ventures like these will still need to make money, which probably 
means ads, which probably means we're back where we started.


>     come a time in the near future when folks on the Bomp list will be 
>     sending music back and forth like we do with e-mail now? Or better

This is inevitable, but I couldn't say how near 'near' is.  Barring a sudden 
breakthrough in high-quality compression and/or greatly increased transmission 
speeds this is probably still a couple of years away.

>     yet, will anybody with a decent home PC setup be able to run their own 
>     ad-hoc radio station, playing obscurities from their collections along 

Now you're talking!  To some extent this is possible today, though it would 
require more than a decent home PC setup and wouldn't be real time.  But it 
wouldn't be too much of a stretch for a resourceful person to record some 
songs and commentary and make it available over the net.  I'm sure there are 
people doing this already.

[In fairness to the Icelandic station, the last several songs they've played 
have been unfamiliar, and some were in a language I couldn't identify - 
Icelandic, perhaps?  One was a cover of that song the Clash did - "Bankrobber" 
- - partly in English and partly something else.]
 
>     Or am I living in a fool's paradise?

Nope, just slightly ahead of your time!

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:03:55 -0900
From: link@sun-link.com (Colburn-Greg)
Subject: Re: Online Radio?

Right now the cost is prohibitive. For the Real Audio software alone, 
which is necessary to broadcast over the net, the cost is $8000. Then it 
costs something like another $10,000 to run the software. More 
importantly, you can reach only 80 concurrent listeners.

Greg 


> 
>      Everybody agrees:
> 
>      >Oldies radio in [your city here] really sucks...
> 
>      OK, my PC has no sound card, speakers etc so I'm not up on this, but
>      what is the general state of internet-based broadcasting? Will there
>      come a time in the near future when folks on the Bomp list will be
>      sending music back and forth like we do with e-mail now? Or better
>      yet, will anybody with a decent home PC setup be able to run their own
>      ad-hoc radio station, playing obscurities from their collections along
>      with deep observations that only manic collectors can provide?
> 
>      I realize there is the copyright thing, but the practical failure of
>      EMI to stop the On-Line Guitar Archive (OLGA) last year bodes well for
>      pirate or fanzine-type stations.
> 
>      Or am I living in a fool's paradise?
> 
>      Craig
>      aka George Jetson
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:18:21 -0800 (PST)
From: kali <kali@europa.com>
Subject: Re: Radio?

>      OK, my PC has no sound card, speakers etc so I'm not up on this, but 
>      what is the general state of internet-based broadcasting? Will there 
>      come a time in the near future when folks on the Bomp list will be 
>      sending music back and forth like we do with e-mail now? Or better 
>      yet, will anybody with a decent home PC setup be able to run their own 
>      ad-hoc radio station, playing obscurities from their collections along 
>      with deep observations that only manic collectors can provide?

the quality is getting quite good. Sounds in mp3 (mpeg with 3 layers)
format have cd quality sound, but the files can be  quite large. I know
that there are already sites that do "broadcasting" over real audio which
isn't of the highest quality yet and is virtually inaccessable to those
that don't have at LEAST a 28.8 (and it's still bad at a 28.8). Back to
the mp3s....there is software out there that will "record" the music off
of the cd and convert it to an mp3, so you could virtually put anything
you have on cd on the web (with CD quality sound). Of course the user
would need an mp3 player which is also obtainable over the web (one of
them is called WinPlay3) I already see ftp sites that contain mp3's for
"popular" artists. Anyone could realistically set up a site where people
can sample songs. It wouldn't be completely farfetched to believe that
sometime soon RealAudio will be advanced enough to have this high quality
sound. ALSO, many of the higher tech web designers are including midi
files in their HTML so that (assuming you have the proper plug-ins) the
sounds are broadcast while you are viewing the site. This sound quality
seems to be pretty good too.

>      I realize there is the copyright thing, but the practical failure of 
>      EMI to stop the On-Line Guitar Archive (OLGA) last year bodes well for 
>      pirate or fanzine-type stations.

copyright schmopyright. (just kidding of course!)

>      Or am I living in a fool's paradise?

no! I would recommend getting a sound card and speakers though ;)

- -kali
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:32:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Robinson <mrobin@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Beginners Guide....

Various- Back From The Grave (all volumes)
Monks - Black Monk Time
Sonics - Full Force
13th Floor Elevators - Psychedellic Sounds Of
Various - Wild Things (all volumes)
Remains - The Remains
Paul Revere & The Raiders - The Essential Sound 65-67
Question Mark & The Mysterians - 96 Tears
Various - Pebbles  (all volumes)
Seeds - Evil HooDoo


At 01:37 PM 3/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello !
>I am new to this list, and a big reason why I subscribed is to find a way
>through the jungle of freakbeat and psychedelia that is filling up the
>shelves in a number of stores.
>So, my question is simple. Could anyone list, say, 10 albums that are viewed
>as essential within the genre.
>I know much will be down to personal taste, but there must be established
>titles that are "must owns".
>I look forward to hearing your views.
>Cheers,
>David Walker.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:20:52 -0800 (PST)
From: "mrs. gene vincent" <jmirmak@kuci.org>
Subject: Re: Beginners Guide....

the dream police...cheap police  hahahah.
no i'm serious. 
hah.
j.m.

please send me wedding gifts. 
gene and i haven't agreed on the exact date yet, 
but i assure you once we decide, 
you'll get a personal invitation!

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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 20:55:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Robinson <mrobin@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Radio?

With the way technology is moving, it won't be that far off.  We will have
to improve the bandwith and compression techinques for transmitting this
volume of data.  Music and movie files can easily run to 3 and 4 meg for
half minute snippets, so we are going to have the equivalent of ISDN lines
in the home.  The town I live in is now installing cable/modems, allowing
the customer to use the cable service as SLIPP account to the Internet.

Other technologies using the client pull models are starting to gain
exceptance.  Things like Castanet/PCN are proving to be viable methods of
turning your server into a broadcasting tool.  

Mark

At 02:42 PM 3/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     Everybody agrees:
>     
>     >Oldies radio in [your city here] really sucks...
>     
>     OK, my PC has no sound card, speakers etc so I'm not up on this, but 
>     what is the general state of internet-based broadcasting? Will there 
>     come a time in the near future when folks on the Bomp list will be 
>     sending music back and forth like we do with e-mail now? Or better 
>     yet, will anybody with a decent home PC setup be able to run their own 
>     ad-hoc radio station, playing obscurities from their collections along 
>     with deep observations that only manic collectors can provide?
>     
>     I realize there is the copyright thing, but the practical failure of 
>     EMI to stop the On-Line Guitar Archive (OLGA) last year bodes well for 
>     pirate or fanzine-type stations.
>     
>     Or am I living in a fool's paradise?
>     
>     Craig
>     aka George Jetson
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:41:46 -0500
From: Paige Conner Totaro <ptotaro@erols.com>
Subject: Depressing Radio

All this talk about bad radio is just killin me.  For a truly depressing
article about how radio stations choose their playlists, check out this
Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-03/11/051L-031197-idx.html

Basically they take the stalest, blandest white bread and soak it in
warm milk so as to ensure that your vital organs are not taxed at all. 
AAAAaaaaagh!  Let's wake 'em all up!
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