From: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@Bolis.com Subject: bomp-digest V98 #13 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com Precedence: bulk bomp-digest Thursday, January 8 1998 Volume 98 : Number 013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:35:58 -0500 (EST) From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't knock the Bono! don't even be so judgemental as to say Sonny was a jerk--what do any on us REALLY know? ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: No beef with Spector Yo Grinder--dig a little deeper, you are commenting on well known tunes--many of us already know them and love them. Find the hard shit, that's where its at bro...Jimmy/no bad intent/burned out on many sounds--love E-Z tunes today ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:53:36 -0500 (EST) From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Remains Willie Alexander does a nice cover of The Remains' "You've Got a Hard Time Comin'" on a 7"--auction open~ bids start at $20-- ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:58:03 -0500 (EST) From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Remains As an 40-something geezer, I must hop on the Remains Bandwagon. My pals and myself were so enamored of the Remains Epic LP that we learned to do "Don't Look Back" on my friend's father's Hammond B-3 organ into a mic attached to a tape recorder in the basement next to the organ...the results have beee preserved on cassette. anyone interested in releasing th "Don't Look Back Sessions"?? ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:04:52 -0600 From: grinderman@juno.com (Hess Jeffery) Subject: Re: >> Next thing you know the >> >Pope is >> >gonna be a punk rocker >> >> You're killing me, cap'n. > >Hey, The Ramones are his friends and they're all making a fortune >selling daddy's dope. Thud! ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:17:59 -0600 From: grinderman@juno.com (Hess Jeffery) Subject: Re: No beef with Spector On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) DJJimmyBee@aol.com writes: >Yo Grinder--dig a little deeper, you are commenting on well known >tunes--many > of us already know them and love them. Find the hard shit, that's >where its >at bro...Jimmy/no bad intent/burned out on many sounds--love E-Z tunes >today Good music is good music and I will comment on anything I want. Sorry for not being more "obscurer than thou". ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:41:26 -0500 From: wigout6@juno.com (William H Jones) Subject: Sounds of the Sixties Menachem says that the Eva CD is the same as my record > You don't get the big French EP booklet, though. Thanks for the confirmation - I'd expect that the booklet wouldn't be in there, and that's a problem with CD's. Not enough room for big booklets! That is a very cool book too, and I'm glad I got it from the vinyl release. Unfortunately I cut out a couple of EP cover photos years ago and made buttons out of 'em! Hey, didn't the singer of U2 (Paul Hewson) take his name from Sonny Bono? ; ^ ) Be seeing you, Bill ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:39:30 -0500 From: JJ and Jen Rassler Subject: Re: The Remains ART wrote: > Can anyone tell me about the Remains? I just got their Sundazed comp. CD > and I wasn't that impressed. Hey! Like you've probably read here before, listen again at a later date. And let the preconceived image pass. Only say that cause it's what I experienced here. Second and third listens revealed much more. warning: (Leave Now and Spare Yourself the Review, if ya wanna) In 1966, I saw the Remains open for the Beatles, early August (5th or 6th) in Philly. I was familiar with their single and had seen a blurb on them in Teen Scene. They provided musical support for some of the other acts on the bill, including the Ronettes. I knew they were from Boston. I'd seen the Rockin Ramrods open for the Stones the year before and new that they were from Boston as well. Couple years later I moved to Boston. Remains and Ramrods being the major factor. Other than their incredible performance opening for such a huge show, the single was the only thing I had to go on for years. In the late 70's someone gave me a tape of demos, unissued tracks and assorted studio takes. I was floored. Mainly by the garage aspect and the covers and how well they were done, or the fact that they sounded like the Brit Invasion stuff I love so much. In recent years the Sundazed and Sony/Epic releases had me scratchin my head. It was a bit more polished and Beatlesque in ways that I wasn't exactly expecting. The songs were well crafted, with intricate parts, not what my primevil and parched ears were used to. Few weeks later I listened again and saw better where they were comin from and dug it. Barry's book, Ticket To Ride (a chronicle of the 1966 Beatles tour) is really entertaining. It's an insight that we'd (I would anyway) dream about. What it was like on tour with those guys, opening those dates at that particular time in history. It was Barry's journal (a suggestion made by his dad) and some memories, About 100 pages, soft cover, 12'' wide 9" height goes for around $20. and you can order one thru 1 800 44 DISCS. His friendship and musical association with Gram Parsons was quite significant as well. Both he and his wife became part of Emmylou Harris' band for years. Because of my job, Barry (and wife Holly) and I have become good friends. He tours still, with Holly and their songs are rich, pure roots country with a strong dose of Everly Bros in their harmony. The Remains were proof positive to me that I was on the right track with my own teen band in Philly. It was like, see see, it can be done. They were hope and a driving force to an army of $100. guitars, tight jeans and a pair of beatle boots, hell bent on cool. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:58:01 -0800 From: "Eric D." Subject: DMZ tapes. Does anyone know if the DMZ shows from C.B.G.B.'s Mar.26,1977 and The Rat April 7,1977 have ever been released on vinyl or c.d, either officially or as a boot? Thanks p.s. Could only someone who's not a complete moron answer this please? ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:03:20 EST From: LemonJimm Subject: Re: R.I.P. Sonny In a message dated 1/8/98 7:51:42 PM EST, shepherd@garply.com writes: > > OK, what's the name of the album that "Pammie" is on? The title track is > > another classic. > > > > Jim > > It's called "INNER VIEWS". Which song is the title track? > > Kip > I stand corrected! I believe the track I am thinking of was the first on the album. I heard it once, about 5 years ago. Maybe a track listing would jog my memory? Possibly "I Just Sit There"? Jim ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:33:24 -0500 From: Jeff Kopp Subject: Re: Spector/Remains Joe Emery wrote: > do you consider the ramones, johnny thunders & the > heartbreakers/new york dolls, blondie, devil dogs,or early beach boys > (and the mad genius of brian wilson) to be rock & roll? then you're > influenced by phil spector. how in the hell can anyone say phil spector > has nothing to do w/ rock & roll? "pop craftsmanship" has everything to > do with rock & roll! shit, even bobby fuller, in his own way, was a > sort of small-scale phil spector! All very good points, sir, but I wasn't questioning his "influence" on rock'n'roll but his own work and why it doesn't agree with me. Again, I realize now that I should've done a much better job at wording my question. So sorry to throw all you big mean dogs such a juicy little bone... It's also interesting that someone brought up the Remains, because I believe they are a perfect example of what happens when producers or labels try to over-commercialize a band's sound. Epic's recordings of the Remains lacked the band's amazing raw energy of their live show which is very apparent on the Sundazed comp, basically a reissuing of the band's Capitol demo, showcasing their great rock'n'roll energy. I shudder to think what their stuff would've sounded like had someone like Phil Spector gotten his hands in the production of their Capitol demo... although Capitol probably would've signed 'em, I bet. But at the expense of their great sound captured on this disk? To be tamed and watered down for commercial pop success? kopper (bracing for another blast) - -- ===================================================================== | Kopper & Jaimz - THE WAYBACK MACHINE - KDHX FM 88.1/St. Louis, MO | | The past, present and future of primitive garage rock'n'roll, R&B,| | 60's punk, surf & rockabilly - Saturday nights, Midnight-3am (CST)| | Visit The Wayback Machine website: http://www.inlink.com/~kopper/ | ===================================================================== ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:13:04 -0500 From: Jeff Kopp Subject: Re: Bono-fied cool guy SWarm007 wrote: > > Sheesh...Well, fer starters, Sonny Bono brought the great Don and Dewey to > Specialty records where they recorded his wacko "Koko Joe" and a composition > of their own called "Farmer John"...which was covered by every "real 60's > rock'n'roll" band on the planet. Thanks for answering my question! I really had no idea Bono had any connection w/Don & Dewey, who I like very much. Are you saying that Bono here wrote "Koko Joe?" If so, this too I did not know, and does give me a little bit of a different perspective on the guy. Now, as for Spector, let me clarify my point (question) a little: I never was a fan of his work due mainly in part to his production techniques (the cheesy echo chamber effects and commercialized, slick production for the obvious reason of selling records) more so than his songwriting. Same is true of the Beatles... they wrote some great songs and the White album is still one of my all-time faves, but most of their music was just too bubblegum for me. I always preferred the Stones, the Kingsmen, the Kinks, Sonics, etc. My comment about not seeing a direct connection between Spector and what I termed "real rock'n'roll" was that what I like in the 60's stuff I play on my show and enjoy at home is the stuff with the real edge to it. Sheesh, it's not like I despise the guy... I agree w/Blair that he wrote some great pop songs, but it was just never my bag. I've also heard (and the measure of truth to this is debatable, but is part of the reason for my formulated opinion) that he screwed around with some of the recordings and some he did without his artist's approval (a la Motown?), changing the sound to make a particular song more commercially appealing. Is this someone I should respect? I've always had a DIY/punk ethic and believe in less is more when it comes to production techniques and commercialization of a sound. Ok, I'm almost done here, but I find it really odd how so many people jump to his defense when all I did was question his work or rock'n'roll merit. I guess I should've done a better job at explaining myself from the start. Oops. But then again I've always had a pretty good knack at stirrin' the shit. Looks like I really got under some peoples' skin w/that comment. Heh heh... kopper - -- ===================================================================== | Kopper & Jaimz - THE WAYBACK MACHINE - KDHX FM 88.1/St. Louis, MO | | The past, present and future of primitive garage rock'n'roll, R&B,| | 60's punk, surf & rockabilly - Saturday nights, Midnight-3am (CST)| | Visit The Wayback Machine website: http://www.inlink.com/~kopper/ | ===================================================================== ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:04:14 -0500 From: "ART" Subject: Re: The Remains Got it! I'll listen again! And I'll look for the Sony Special Products comp. Thanks for the insight, Art - ---------- > From: JJ and Jen Rassler > To: Bomp@bolis.com > Subject: Re: The Remains > Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 11:39 PM > > > > ART wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me about the Remains? I just got their Sundazed comp. CD > > and I wasn't that impressed. > > Hey! > Like you've probably read here before, listen again at a later date. And let > the preconceived image pass. Only say that cause it's what I experienced here. > Second and third listens revealed much more. > > warning: (Leave Now and Spare Yourself the Review, if ya > wanna) > > In 1966, I saw the Remains open for the Beatles, early August (5th or 6th) in > Philly. I was familiar with their single and had seen a blurb on them in Teen > Scene. They provided musical support for some of the other acts on the bill, > including the Ronettes. I knew they were from Boston. I'd seen the Rockin > Ramrods open for the Stones the year before and new that they were from Boston > as well. Couple years later I moved to Boston. Remains and Ramrods being the > major factor. Other than their incredible performance opening for such a huge > show, the single was the only thing I had to go on for years. In the late 70's > someone gave me a tape of demos, unissued tracks and assorted studio takes. I > was floored. Mainly by the garage aspect and the covers and how well they were > done, or the fact that they sounded like the Brit Invasion stuff I love so > much. In recent years the Sundazed and Sony/Epic releases had me scratchin my > head. It was a bit more polished and Beatlesque in ways that I wasn't exactly > expecting. The songs were well crafted, with intricate parts, not what my > primevil and parched ears were used to. Few weeks later I listened again and > saw better where they were comin from and dug it. > Barry's book, Ticket To Ride (a chronicle of the 1966 Beatles tour) is really > entertaining. It's an insight that we'd (I would anyway) dream about. What it > was like on tour with those guys, opening those dates at that particular time > in history. It was Barry's journal (a suggestion made by his dad) and some > memories, > About 100 pages, soft cover, 12'' wide 9" height goes for around $20. and you > can order one thru 1 800 44 DISCS. > His friendship and musical association with Gram Parsons was quite significant > as well. Both he and his wife became part of Emmylou Harris' band for years. > Because of my job, Barry (and wife Holly) and I have become good friends. He > tours still, with Holly and their songs are rich, pure roots country with a > strong dose of Everly Bros in their harmony. > The Remains were proof positive to me that I was on the right track with my own > teen band in Philly. It was like, see see, it can be done. They were hope and a > driving force to an army of $100. guitars, tight jeans and a pair of beatle > boots, hell bent on cool. > > > ==================================================================== > To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with > "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use > "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:56:31 From: Jay Schwartz Subject: The Bono Goes On >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:13:57 EST >From: LemonJimm >Subject: Re: R.I.P. Sonny > > "Pammie's on a Bummer," a heavy one (!) >OK, what's the name of the album that "Pammie" is on? The title track is >another classic. The album is called INNER VIEWS. It has no title song. Perhaps you are thinking of the longish track "I Just Sit There." ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:52:16 From: Jay Schwartz Subject: Nik Venet >Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:49:53 -0600 >From: grinderman@juno.com (Hess Jeffery) >Subject: Re: Nik Venet also dies >Nik Venet, credited with discovering the Beach Boys for >Capitol Records, has died of complications from treatment for >Burkitt's lymphoma. He was 61. >Did he have anything to with the Beach Boys recording of "Cease to Exit", >written by Charles Manson? No, he didn't. Nik Venet was only directly involved with the very early Beach Boys Capitol sessions. Just wondering...Is this the only Beach Boys song that interests you? ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 01:55:47 From: Jay Schwartz Subject: Remains in Shea film? >Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:11:17 -0500 >From: shepherd >Subject: Re: Remains >The Remains are in the 'The Beatles at Shea Stadium' movie. I went to >see it at a midnight movie and the 'cool' Beatles fans had a ball >laughing at those goofy Remains. I never noticed that The Remains are in that film. You aren't thinking of Sounds Incorporated, are you? Perhaps there are different verions floating around (very possible). Do The Remains play any songs in it? Are they originals? - -------------------------------------------------------- Secret Cinema website: http://www.voicenet.com/~jschwart ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 01:51:13 From: Jay Schwartz Subject: When Sonny Gets Blue >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:52:26 -0600 (CST) >From: joy johnson >Subject: Re: R.I.P. Sonny >I don't care what anyone thinks, but I absolutely adore Sonny's "It's the >Little Things." So there. >Joy St.John Johnson At a few memorable shows, I saw The Skeletons do a great cover of this. There's also a nice "rock video" like clip of this in the Sonny & Cher feature GOOD TIMES (unfortunately, it's the only sort of rocking moment in the film). - - Jay ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V98 #13 **************************