From: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@Bolis.com Subject: bomp-digest V98 #36 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@bolis.com Precedence: bulk bomp-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 98 : Number 036 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:26:41 EST From: DKugel Subject: Re: Coffee 'n' Smokes Playlist, 1/17/98 a tribute to captain pj... yee yee!!! ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:46:56 EST From: JimConnell Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? >> So, yeah real rock and roll will never be popular with the kids.... or the adults......take a room of adults, how many cool ones do you think there would be compared to the great amount that listen to warmed up watered down classic rock? are people REALLY alright? >> I go to lots of shows that are all kids, and I sometimes go to shows where there are mostly adults. [I'm a 40-something kid.] At adult shows I am usually bored to tears; everybody else seems to be too busy being mature to have any kind of fun at all. [Maybe part of it is that I go to shows in NYC where faux sophistication among yupped-out adults is the rule, but still...]. The adults are there to be *entertained*. Some kid shows are just as bad, but most aren't. Kids jump around and get crazy, they know all the words and scream along, they are capable of an intensity that adults have just plain lost. Kids make the music into a religion (remember how you felt about your favorite bands when you were 17?). There is a magic thing that happens sometimes at kid shows: you're jumping around totally insane and loving it, and everybody else is, and you glance over at the person next to you and they glance back and you both just spontaneously exchange this silly shared grin -- it's just so intensely fun that you've got to share it. It's a kid thing. I sometimes wonder about this list -- especially all the dry record-collector talk. I get the feeling that some people could just as easily be collecting stamps. The way I see it, if you think about this stuff too much the essence of it gets away. There's lots of crap in today's music but there's also some really good stuff. Even Manson is not the wasteland that popular opinion makes them out to be -- I wouldn't actually say that I *like* them, but I've seen them a few times, and it *is* a good show. How many of you who criticize them have ever seen them? Or are capable of going to a show like that with an open mind? Sorry for the rant, but this discussion has been really bugging me... - -jimc ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:04:18 GMT From: Sean Gillespie Subject: Re: Pre Beatles England/Shakin' All Over On Thu, 22 Jan 98 15:35:53 -0700 Efram wrote: > > Right! And that something is the movie Beat Girl (1960), starring the > savage young rocker Adam Faith, and also the savage beatnik Oliver Reed! > There's rebelious rock attitude in spades in this one! It's actually a > pretty good movie, a precursor to Britain's gritty, caste-conscious > "Kitchen sink" (I THINK that's what they called it, at least!) school of > film. Videoflicks synopsis: "A WILD TEEN EXPLOITATION FILM SET IN ENGLAND > ABOUT A YOUNG GIRL WHO FOLLOWS IN MUM'S FOOTSTEPS AND BECOMES A STRIPPER. > JOHN (JAMES BOND) BARRY DOES THE MUSIC. A.K.A.'WILD FOR KICKS.'" Haha, you're absolutely on the ball. I'm not too clued up on B-type movies (cost too much to import, and can never find 'em anyways), but I have had the great pleasure of seeing this film, and can wholeheartedly agree with you that it is an absolute classic and as good as anything out the States from the same period. It's got the lot: licentious women, parties in caves, Oliver Reed & Christopher Lee, hell it's even got a good plot. Dare I even suggest it's film noir. And my favorite line from the film, when Adam Faith get hassled by the local toughs for being a rock and roller with a guitar on his back: "I'm not gonna fight! Fightin's for squares! If you wanna fight, go join the army!" Way to go, daddy-o! Hell, I've been waiting to be hassled for years so I can use that line. Pity Adam was never so cool in real life. Sean. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:28:04 -0500 From: kennehighland@webtv.net (Kenne Highland) Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? are we talking the chalmers brothers of portland maine? all i know from my last portland gig is that kristen chalmers is back on keyboards in the brood and i WILL be doing more brood gigs!(it was our new years resolutuion!)the brothers seem to be hopelessly obscure-maybe ill ask their mother! Kenne Highland Kenne Highland Clan http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/2913 ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:29:33 EST From: PETEP Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? In a message dated 98-01-23 04:48:47 EST, you write: << I sometimes wonder about this list -- especially all the dry record- collector talk. I get the feeling that some people could just as easily be collecting stamps. The way I see it, if you think about this stuff too much the essence of it gets away. >> I really don't agree with you on this point at all. I think there is an enthusiasm on this list. Why else would people even take the time to read it and contribute to it. Just because you aren't a record collector, don't condemn those of us who love the hobby. I'm wildly enthusiastic about my music and records! Bottom line about all this talk is: now, just as in the 70's and eighties, you have to really work at it to find the good music. But as Blair said earlier, it is not that difficult with the great help of labels like Norton, Get Hip, Estrus, Dionysus, Telstar, etc and the very good mail-order stores around. The crap ratio of today's kids is probably no worse than it ever was since the 70's. There is just too damned much music being made, and most of it will always suck. (Heck, i don't even care for The Oblivions or similar type bands!) But why do I think that the kids in the 60's had so much good music to choose from? It seems that the choices for bad music where fewer, and most of the music was of a higher quality than today. All those great 60's garage bands...that sound will never be matched, ever. It was real, and it was coming from the kids. Same with 50's rockabilly.......It goes like this: 50's rockabilly,rocknroll, and R&B, late 50's-early 60's rockers, early 60's surf, then british invasion, then mid 60's american garage/rocknroll......it never got better than that! Pete ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:52:59 -0500 From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: Todays kids again Kind of too late. Carroll O' Connor, to capitalize on his "All in the Family" fame released an album called "Music for Old P.F.A.R.T.S. (People for a return to sentimentality)" I don't own this. Those may have been the days, Brian Phillips >So who's gonna be the first to start a band called 'The Old Farts'? ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:48:32 -0500 (EST) From: Blair Buscareno Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, JimConnell wrote: > Some kid shows are just as bad, but most aren't. Kids jump around and get > crazy, they know all the words and scream along, they are capable of an > intensity that adults have just plain lost. Kids make the music into a > religion (remember how you felt about your favorite bands when you were 17?). > There is a magic thing that happens sometimes at kid shows: you're jumping > around totally insane and loving it, and everybody else is, and you glance > over at the person next to you and they glance back and you both just > spontaneously exchange this silly shared grin -- it's just so intensely fun > that you've got to share it. It's a kid thing. I know the feeling you're talking about, but I'm not positive it's just a "kid thing." At some "adult shows" (say, The Dictators), I still find that. And again at ? & the Mysterians. Me, Ms. Miriam Linna, and a bunch more of the usual gang were grinning from ear to ear. I spent most of last Saturday night jumping up and down like an idiot. And loving every minute, too. Heck, I'm a teacher and my kids have seen me at shows by The Muffs, The Queers, Mr. T. Experience, etc. and *I'm* the one going crazy, not them. However, I'll agree with you, going to shows by many of the Lookout (and related) groups are the ones that are wild. As you said, that's 'cuz the kids are out to have fun. And I love that. All I'm saying is that it also happens - at least for *some* of us - at shows by The Swingin' Neckbreakers, etc. Your point, however, reminds me of why I enjoy going to ska/rock steady shows once in awhile (The Scofflaws, The Blue Beats, etc.). The kids dance like mad. And that's truly fun. You're right about one major part of this... not enough people seem to want to dance once they've reached a certain age. Heck, *I* don't dance as much as I once did. But much of the time I do. As do some of my friends. > There's lots of crap in today's music but there's also some really good stuff. > Even Manson is not the wasteland that popular opinion makes them out to be -- > I wouldn't actually say that I *like* them, but I've seen them a few times, > and it *is* a good show. How many of you who criticize them have ever seen > them? Or are capable of going to a show like that with an open mind? Manson - you're right, I'd *never* go to see them. That's because I've already heard their records. As a computer teacher, my classroom has CD-ROM drives. That means music can be played in the classroom. In classes that can behave well, I let kids put discs in. (One per class, no stereo wars.) This means the kids have played Manson for me. I listened once (all the way through) and then I listened again next time. I just plain didn't like it. I don't go out five-six nights a week the way I did 5-10 years ago. Being a teacher and having to wake up early and work with teenagers is part of it, as is being older. And, of course, there's the fact that I'm in a long-term relationship and I enjoy spending time with my girlfriend sometimes. So when I go out, I make sure I go to something I think I'm going to enjoy. I just can't see paying to see a band whose music I already don't like. If I want to see good theatre, there's always a good play in town somewhere. If I want to see rock'n'roll, I'll check out the Swingin' Neckbreakers, The Insomniacs, etc. Blair ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:50:06 -0500 (EST) From: Blair Buscareno Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Kenne Highland wrote: > are we talking the chalmers brothers of portland maine? all i know from > my last portland gig is that kristen chalmers is back on keyboards in > the brood and i WILL be doing more brood gigs!(it was our new years > resolutuion!)the brothers seem to be hopelessly obscure-maybe ill ask > their mother! Same Chalmers Brothers. And their mom, Nancy, is an absolute blast. When she comes down to NYC we all have a great time. Blair ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 13:21:33 UT From: "Bill Holmes" Subject: RE: Are the kids REALLY alright? Dave Anderson (of Saxon, etc) was also in a band with ex-Flashcube Paul Armstrong called THE MOST (except Dave's stage name was David DeVoe for that group). Great guy. Bill - ---------- From: Bomp-Sender@bolis.com on behalf of Blair Sent: Thursday, January 22, 1998 10:42 PM To: Bomp@bolis.com Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? the label run by latter-day Projectile Dave Anderson (who also ran Saxon Recording Studios, where the Absolute Grey did their stuff). Dave's also in the Riviera Playboys. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:26:01 +0000 From: Kieron Tyler Subject: [none] Re 13th Floor Elevators Lyrics Joe Emery asked if anyone knew the lyrics to the song "levitation" from = easter everywhere. The 1st pressing of Easter Everywhere on International Artists had an inner sleeve with all the song lyrics printed on it. I do have this, but am not sure I have the time to type all the lyrics out... Let me know which bit of the lyrics you can't decipher and I'll have a look. Does anyone know what Roky is up to right now? All the best, Kieron ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:03:56 -0500 (EST) From: Blair Buscareno Subject: Oblivians, was Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? Some people I know absolutely *hate* The Oblivians. Others think they're the greatest thing since... umm, I dunno, man-in-the-moon-marigolds. Whatever. Anyway, for me, I can only listen to their records when I'm really in the mood. On the other hand, when I see them live, they're AMAZING!!! They can really get a crowd going wild. And then I'm in rock'n'roll heaven. Blair ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:46:40 -0600 From: rerunrex@juno.com (JASON M ROSS) Subject: Re:Where are you Keith?? Hey Keith- This is Jason who sent you the video.E-mail me off list,cuz it came back today.I need your address again,the package got smeared! Jaosn Rerun rerunrex@juno.com ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:38:08 -0600 From: rerunrex@juno.com (JASON M ROSS) Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? >I've still never spoken to another garage fan in real life. But then, >I guess, >how would I know if I had? Maybe I just don't know the secret >handshake. > >Sean. Hey Sean- Mail me a crisp $100 bill and I'll send you instructions on the handshake!HA HA! Jason Rerun ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:55:54 -0600 From: "Captain Kirk" Subject: Re: Todays kids again >> An old fart to the core, > >So who's gonna be the first to start a band called 'The Old Farts'? Well... There IS a band, "The Oldest Punk Band in the World", called One Foot in the Grave. Thier lastest CD is entitled "Old Farts..." You can check out thier web page at www.onefoot.com . Crazy. Kirk ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jan 98 09:43:16 -0500 From: "Andrea Lauritzen" Subject: Re: hanson kopper wrote: >>I still think of the Hanson Brothers when I hear someone mention Hanson. Guess I AM an old fart...<< Me too! When I first heard of the Hanson Brothers I thought it was pretty genius to name your band after some goofball guys from the movie, Slapshot. But when I heard of the New Bomb Turks....oh yeah!!!! "Hollywood Knights" is one of my favorite stupid 1980 movies!!!! - -Andrea ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:47:54 -0800 From: "Sadie O. McFarlane" Subject: Re: Junior Kimbrough >Yes it was 36 children. You should know that in rural north Mississippi there >ain't much to do except drink, play geetar, fornicate, and, if inclined, write >novels. Ha ha ha! Love it - I'll have to remember that line... Funny, I remember an online dialectic I had once with an anti-abortionist, who was railing about how irresponsible the poor were, to keep demanding abortions on the tax-payer's dollar, and I said "well, remember, sex is one of the few recreations the poor can afford", and I was BOMBARDED with hate mail from PCs and fundamentalists alike, how could I SAY such a snide thing.... It wasn't snide. I've BEEN poor. Nudge nudge wink wink say no more... - - Sadie O. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:50:58 -0800 From: "Sadie O. McFarlane" Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? >Kids make the music into a >religion (remember how you felt about your favorite bands when you were 17?). Have you ever been to a Ronnie Dawson show? Last time I saw him, everyone was jumping and bopping and singing and clapping along and actually acting every bit as goofy as I was, and I turned to the woman next to me and said "Is this guy a freakin' religious experience, or WHAT?" and she said "HalleLOOOOOOyah!" OTOH, my days of getting off on the contact sport of slam dancing are over - - I remember the sheer fun of careening about and bouncing off each other like pinballs, but a few years ago I was in a major accident with 6 broken ribs, and I never did get over my shyness about getting plowed into, after that... Ah well. I go to shows to be entertained, but I've certainly done that since I was a kid. I'm ready to be entertained by anyone and anything, and I wouldn't want to go out if it wasn't going to be entertaining! I'm not above being part of the entertainment, either, heh... I don't think *joy* is only found in kids, but kids - as a group - do tend to have more energy than us geezers.... - - Sadie O. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:39:23 -0800 From: "Sadie O. McFarlane" Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? >are >people REALLY alright? A key point, indeed! I was heavily involved in all ages shows for quite some time (some friends of mine and I formed a non-profit org in the 70's and put on a secret show with the Clash on their first tour, as well as shows by the DKs and many others; later I did publicity for reggae shows - jah children want jah music, mon - and thrash metal, where practically the only folks over 18 were the ones in the bands...) One unfortunate problem with successful all ages shows was that the kids (with few but noble exceptions) were just freaking amazingly irresponsible! Clubs couldn't keep having all ages shows when they'd keep getting trashed at every show. It was a real relief to get into musical styles that appealed to a wide range of OLDER folks, heh... I pity the kids in their teens that are into these styles - and there are a handful - they get to go to about one show every two months or so... Getting back to the subject, I think we can all agree that the majority of people of ALL ages suck extremely large weenie, and that popular youth oriented music today is worse than anyone in their worst nightmares ever imagined it could possibly be... - - Sadie O. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:33:57 -0500 From: Josh Lewis Subject: Are the kids REALLY alright? The kids are alright... the kids suck... whatever. I agree with Kopper and a few other people who think that things haven't changed much. I graduated from Scarsdale High in NY in 83. hard-core (in the non-musical sense) suburbia. As far as I know there were very very few people who were into music that people on this list would consider cool. The punkest it got was when one or two of the guys from Too Much Joy would wear a Ramones or Clash t-shirt to school. Then there were a few of us who got into the Fleshtones. (Anybody else read the Catalog of Cool back then? or since?) Beyond that, it seemed to be classic rock for all except for those who listened to WLIR, which Blair mentioned. WLIR was fun and they would play bands like Iggy or the Blasters every now and then in between the New Wave. (And, yeah Blair, those days of the picture-less, unlaminated driver's license were great!) Now I tutor kids in high school and younger and as far as I can tell there is more involvement in music nowadays. I have encountered a few kids who have their own 'zines and lots who are into music you can't hear on the radio. There certainly seem to be far more kids going to shows now, than there were when I was in high school. (I'm only speaking for this area) Some of these kids are into music that some of us consider bad, but I think the kids who are really into music will eventually find the good stuff, or at least the better stuff. I think old ska kicks the shit out of most of the new ska-like bands, but the great thing is that there are so many ska compilations out on the market that if a kid is truly into it, it won't be long until they encounter the Specials, Skatalites, Studio One, etc. Same goes for the kids who are into the 'new punk' that some here have criticized. If the kid is into it, he or she will eventually be turned on to the older stuff or the better newer stuff. I've made tapes for kids I tutor and they are totally receptive to stuff other than what already know. I do think, though, that it's rare for kids to find their way to garage bands. I mentioned this discussion to one of my friends, and she mentioned that she thinks that even the Spice Girls serve a purpose because they get young kids into music. Some of them won't ever get past the pop pap level, but some will dig deeper and end up listening to cool shit. Like that friend, who started out looooving Rick Springfield, and then became the only punk (mohawked no less) at her all-girls Catholic School. With the internet it's even easier for the kids to find new stuff. A lot of them do. It's like that game six degrees of separation - if a kid/adult is really into music, it doesn't take long for them to get to the better stuff and/or the roots. If they're not into music, they'll just listen to the radio and whatever their friends play. Same as it ever was...... Josh Armonk, NY ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Drum Wolf Subject: Today's darn kids, again Judging from the responses others have made to this thread, as well as a few random posts from a while back, it sounds like I had a somewhat different high school experience from a lot of other people, and I'd be curious to know what kind of environment the rest of you grew up in. I grew up in a suburb of New York, in Westchester County, predominantly white and evenly split between affluent well-educated professionals and working-class families. As far as I can tell, it's no different from any other American suburb, but apparently all the stereotypes commonly associated with punks and jocks didn't necessarily apply here. I don't remember the punks in my school as total outcasts - in fact, by no means were all the punks buddy-buddy with the other kids in school, but there was definitely some overlap between both the punks/jocks and the punks/preppies. A few of the jocks (and my high school had the best football team in the county at the time) were stoners and metalheads who crossed over from thrash to hardcore (DRI, Suicidal Tendencies, Murphy's Law), and there were some punks and some football players who were friends via a common bond of skateboarding and thrashy music. (I guess it helped that thrash and punk were starting to cross over - this was the glory days of Slayer and Metallica, who were proud of their hardcore roots even then.) As for the affluent preppy kids, a LOT of them were into what Kopper called the "weird but still cool" music, like Depeche Mode, Cure, Violent Femmes, and sometimes even Jonathan Richman and Circle Jerks. What I remember of my high school sounds pretty appealing in comparison to some of your own experiences, but it wasn't any better than anyone else's, believe me. People there were still dicks, and to give you an idea of the town, a local resident who was also a NYC cop was recently convicted of murdering a black man in a racially-tinged fight over a parking space. But the point is, I just didn't see the same kind of mob mentality in my school towards fans of non-mainstream music as so many of you did. As for myself, I listened to hard rock most of high school and didn't even start to listen to punk rock until shortly before I graduated in '87. And when I got to college, there were definitely a number of people there who were fully into the likes of Velvet Underground, Butthole Surfers, Feelies, and what have you. And comparing the punk and indie rock back then to today... back then, it seemed like the two genres tended to go hand-in-hand more, while nowadays it seems like the two are completely different creatures, both equally annoying, and neither of them rocking the same way they did back then. You've got "punks" who like NOFX and Pennywise, which to me sounds like Bon Jovi over a thrash beat, and then you've got indie kids who go for jaded hipster irony in bands like Palace or Polvo. It could be my own bias, but it just seems like Husker Du and Naked Raygun were just so more exciting then than today's underground bands are now. I don't know. I realize that this could very well be my own biased perception based on what I saw (and didn't see), but it just seems like punk and indie rock just had so much more to offer a decade ago and have lost a lot of their power now. Nowadays it's very rare for me to buy a CD of a brand-new title, and it's much more often that I'll go for early stuff like Birdman, GBH or Thunders. Sorry for the long-winded speech... I'll shut up now. John Lee ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:52:52 -0800 From: "Sadie O. McFarlane" Subject: Re: Pre Beatles England/Shakin' All Over >"I'm not gonna fight! Fightin's for squares! If you wanna fight, go join >the >army!" I LOVE IT! All this and Christopher Lee, too? I gotta look for this movie... - - Sadie O. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:43:26 -0500 (EST) From: Drum Wolf Subject: Today's darn kids, again Judging from the responses others have made to this thread, as well as a few random posts from a while back, it sounds like I had a somewhat different high school experience from a lot of other people, and I'd be curious to know what kind of environment the rest of you grew up in. I grew up in a suburb of New York, in Westchester County, predominantly white and evenly split between affluent well-educated professionals and working-class families. As far as I can tell, it's no different from any other American suburb, but apparently all the stereotypes commonly associated with punks and jocks didn't necessarily apply here. I don't remember the punks in my school as total outcasts - in fact, by no means were all the punks buddy-buddy with the other kids in school, but there was definitely some overlap between both the punks/jocks and the punks/preppies. A few of the jocks (and my high school had the best football team in the county at the time) were stoners and metalheads who crossed over from thrash to hardcore (DRI, Suicidal Tendencies, Murphy's Law), and there were some punks and some football players who were friends via a common bond of skateboarding and thrashy music. (I guess it helped that thrash and punk were starting to cross over - this was the glory days of Slayer and Metallica, who were proud of their hardcore roots even then.) As for the affluent preppy kids, a LOT of them were into what Kopper called the "weird but still cool" music, like Depeche Mode, Cure, Violent Femmes, and sometimes even Jonathan Richman and Circle Jerks. What I remember of my high school sounds pretty appealing in comparison to some of your own experiences, but it wasn't any better than anyone else's, believe me. People there were still dicks, and to give you an idea of the town, a local resident who was also a NYC cop was recently convicted of murdering a black man in a racially-tinged fight over a parking space. But the point is, I just didn't see the same kind of mob mentality in my school towards fans of non-mainstream music as so many of you did. As for myself, I listened to hard rock most of high school and didn't even start to listen to punk rock until shortly before I graduated in '87. And when I got to college, there were definitely a number of people there who were fully into the likes of Velvet Underground, Butthole Surfers, Feelies, and what have you. And comparing the punk and indie rock back then to today... back then, it seemed like the two genres tended to go hand-in-hand more, while nowadays it seems like the two are completely different creatures, both equally annoying, and neither of them rocking the same way they did back then. You've got "punks" who like NOFX and Pennywise, which to me sounds like Bon Jovi over a thrash beat, and then you've got indie kids who go for jaded hipster irony in bands like Palace or Polvo. It could be my own bias, but it just seems like Husker Du and Naked Raygun were just so more exciting then than today's underground bands are now. I don't know. I realize that this could very well be my own biased perception based on what I saw (and didn't see), but it just seems like punk and indie rock just had so much more to offer a decade ago and have lost a lot of their power now. Nowadays it's very rare for me to buy a CD of a brand-new title, and it's much more often that I'll go for early stuff like Birdman, GBH or Thunders. Sorry for the long-winded speech... I'll shut up now. John Lee ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:18:14 -0500 From: James Stephenson Subject: Re: No subject > > He is survived by 36 children. > > !! > > He obviously had himself a good ol' life, anyway! That beats even Bach's > record, I think... > > - - Sadie O. Q: Why did Bach have so many children? A: Because he didn't have any stops on his organ. Hyuck Hyuck Hyuck! - -- James Stephenson Rare Books & Special Collections Cataloger McKeldin Library University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Mailto:js272@umail.umd.edu ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:13:40 -0500 (EST) From: Lelia Ellen Raley Subject: RE: max's regurgitated On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Marc Miller wrote: > Sadie, re: > > > >steak * chick > > >lobster * peas > > > > They just haven't put the last quarter or so of the sign up, yet. > > It's > > supposed to read: > > > > steak * chicken > > lobster * peasant > > > > I hear the peasants are revolting... So are they a) unattractive b) rioting in the streets or c) lousy-tasting? Lola ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:03:53 +0200 From: PEKKA LAINE Subject: Witchdoktors? HIYA, I just happened to buy "Witchdoktors a-go-go" by the Witchdoktors on Diononysus records. I've been enjoying Bomboras and Finks greatly , but I've managed to somehow miss The Witchdoktors, up till now that is. The album is great and I'd like to know what else is out there by The Witchdoktors? Any tips? Pekka Laine ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:04:49 -0800 From: "Sadie O. McFarlane" Subject: Re: Gunhill Road >"Back when my hair was short, I was so wise on sports >four-pointed shoes and pink pants >Drank till my eyes were red, hid playboy 'neath my bed >Slicked my DA for the dance..." That doesn't sound like the song I remember... All about LOOOOOOOOOOVE.... The ultimate message of the song seemed to be that only saps were interested in social issues, and it was best to grow up to be an accountant... - - Sadie O. ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: Wes Freeman Subject: Re: Are the kids REALLY alright? The other two from '97 were just kind of catchy and interesting, not really groovy. I like "Hell" by the Squirrel Nut Zippers and The Wallflowers' "One Headlight" was an interesting take on the normally boring Dylannic Pop thing (though one wonders why Bob Dylan's son sounds more like Tom Petty than Bob Dylan); at least, it had a great bassline (coulda done without that lead guitar though). Those are the radio tunes I liked anyway. Mostly in '97 I was just listening to re-issues and various Fat Possum releases though. Wes ==================================================================== To unsubscribe from Bomp, send an e-mail to majordomo@bolis.com with "unsubscribe bomp" in the message body. If this is in a digest, use "unsubscribe bomp-digest" instead. Please remove this from replies. ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V98 #36 **************************