From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V98 #1084 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com/bomp/Index.html X-BompList-Administrator: efd@interport.net bomp-digest Thursday, March 12 1998 Volume 98 : Number 1084 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:57:41 -0500 From: Kelso Jacks Subject: RE:make a slaying off of sampling? >>I don't know of any actual cases, but I'm sure there are examples of >>hip-hop or techno artists sampling from obscure artists and putting >>them on records that ended up selling big. Just about anything and >>everything is fair game for sampling on a rap or techno record. >>>>> That's not such a sure bet on making cash without being famous. The problem with a lot of the sampling that goes on in the rap/dance music world is that royalties don't get paid and credit isn't given to the original artist (remember Vanilla Ice's remarkable/laughable claims that he hadn't sampled the Queen/Bowie song "Under Pressure" for his hit "Ice Ice Baby"?). Things are getting much better now that those genres have proven to have commercial marketability and are being produced by major labels who have the cash and the lawyers to do things with some semblence of professionalism, but it was once the routine to just use the sample and that was that (though, it is still a problem that runs rampant on the indie-hip-hop & indie-electronic circuit). - ---kelso ============================================ "Dad would think of all the ways there were to die Each one a little more than he could dare to try." - --Neutral Milk Hotel-- =========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:31:09 +0100 From: Sander van Malssen Subject: Re: Searching in the Wilderness On Wednesday, 11 March 1998 at 14:09:45 -0500, Constantine Mekios wrote: > Jeff Kopp wrote: > > > I came across a very cool compilation of some '60s European garage > > punk while perusing the vinyl racks at a local record shop, The > > Record Exchange here in St. Louis over the weekend. It's called > > Searching In The Wilderness and is on a label called Muziek Expres. > > I was wandering about who put this compilation out, as well. I thought > it might have been someone from Europe (Holland perhaps?) due to the > nature of the material and the name of the label (Muziek Express) but > apparently I was wrong if Blair's information is correct. Can anyone > else confirm it? Sounds like Constantine's found an original and Kopper an 80s re-release, I'd say. Muziek Express was (is?) a music magazine here in the Nethelands, which also used to release their own vinyl. The Outsiders' very first single "Sun's Going Down" was an ME release, for example. Cheers, Sander - -- Sander van Malssen -- svm@kozmix.ow.nl -- http://svm.www.cistron.nl/ * The 1-2-5 Page: http://svm.www.cistron.nl/music/ * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Swanson Subject: Re: commercials >Also the Yardbird's jingle for "Great Shakes",using the main riff for >"Overundersidewaysdown". Which can be found on the Little Games cd >reish. The Yardbirds also did a commercial for "Yardleys" cosmetics, but it has yet to surface ANYWHERE. Pity, too, 'cause it featured both Beck and Page... Later, Scott (swandwn@agora.rdrop.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:31:57 -0500 From: Evan Davies Subject: Re: alternate sources of profit? >- The Vaselines had a very small fan base, but one of those fans just >happened to be named Kurt Cobain. He liked them so much that he covered a Of course, labels can sometimes benefit from this sort of thing as well. Not long after the _Nevermind_ album made it big, I happened to befriend someone who was the Computer God (that's what it said on his business card, I swear) at Sub Pop. He spoke with pride of his network of new high-end PCs -- "the computers Nirvana bought." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:40:06 -0500 From: Evan Davies Subject: RE:make a slaying off of sampling? >original artist (remember Vanilla Ice's remarkable/laughable claims that >he hadn't sampled the Queen/Bowie song "Under Pressure" for his hit "Ice That really was incredible. I remember seeing him on MTV News trying to explaing that "Ice Ice Baby" was *completely* different from "Under Pressure" because the bass line in "Under Pressure" was just "dn dn dn da-Da-Da-da" repeated over and over again, but "Ice Ice Baby" went "dn dn dn da-Da-Da-da, *DA* dn dn dn da-Da-Da-da." That extra DA (or, more appropriately, duh) made all the difference in the world... |_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| Evan Davies efd@interport.net "The road to hell is paved with unsent postcards" Gallery of "Misused" Quotation Marks & more: http://www.juvalamu.com/ Swingin' Neckbreakers <||> Upper Crust http://www.juvalamu.com/neck/ <||> http://www.juvalamu.com/crust/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:43:49 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Cohen Subject: Crime Does anyone know anything about the Crime CD that is supposedly coming out on Revenant Records? Does anyone know of a web address or mailing address where I can get ahold of Revenant for information? When is the CD supposed to come out? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:45:43 +0100 From: "Arjan Plug" Subject: Shangr-las commercials Lelia Ellen Raley: >is just too much. I MUST obtain this. Is it a Red Bird various artists >comp - or all Shangs? (Either would be a worthy acquisition). There are a couple on "Myrmidons of Melodrama", the definitive compilation on RPM (RPM 136 - 1994) #1 How pretty can you get? - Natural Wonder commercial #2 Revlon Endorsment - Natural Wonder commercial #3 Good Taste Tip from Mary Weiss - FKR Productions #4 Dating Courtesy Tip from Mary Weiss - FKR Productions Arjan, who L-U-V-S the Shangs too ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:51:38 -0500 From: Kelso Jacks Subject: RE: alternate sources of profit? >>Of course, labels can sometimes benefit from this sort of thing as well. >>Not long after the _Nevermind_ album made it big, I happened to >>befriend someone who was the Computer God (that's what it said on his >>business card,I swear) at Sub Pop. He spoke with pride of his network >>of new high-end PCs -- "the computers Nirvana bought." >>> I've always felt that Sub Pop was really a one hit wonder when it came to actually developing bands. Sure they released some super, super 7"s in their day, but I don't think that they ever deserved the amount of credit handed to to them (credit they earned for having "discovered" Nirvana and having released the "Bleach" record that no one really knew about until they already had purchased "Nevermind"). I never quite understood why every fledgling band in America (well, at least every fledgling band I knew) during the early '90s was trying to get a deal with Sub Pop. But a similar thing happened with Epitaph records. I think that its safe to say that the label got most of its money (and prestige as the public's quintessential street/skate punk label) from the success of one record: The Offspring's tepid yet ridiculously successful "Smash." I'm sure Rancid (whom I do like) helped a bit too, but their national success followed The Offspring's lead. I wonder why Lookout! didn't explode into the limelight quite the same way after Green Day hit it big. - --kelso PS My friend who works at Sub Pop once had her job title listed as "7th Floor R.A." on her Sub Pop business card. ============================================ "Dad would think of all the ways there were to die Each one a little more than he could dare to try." - --Neutral Milk Hotel-- =========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:01:13 EST From: Ray Brazen Subject: Re: Los Doltons, Os Mutantes etc.... LATIN PSYCH MADNESS IS TAKING OVER! YEAH! Never heard of Los Doltons before, but that link to their soundbite turns out to be a most interesting page on rock & roll in Peru. Don't know if I ever mentioned it but there's a similar page devoted to Venezuelan rock & pop music.....it's presently under construction and the last time I checked it out it seemed to be in a bit of disarray.....but it seems to be worth visiting...it even mentions Ladies W.C., another favorite Latin psych band of mine. http://129.171.75.38/ Might as well be really nice and welcome Gustavo from Brazil to the list while I'm at it.....can't wait to see your Os Mutantes page......one of these days soon I'll cough up the $25 or so for an import copy of the first album on CD........ Looks like it might be a good idea to add some Latin psych-rock website links to my Dug Dug's website.....if anyone knows of any more sites out there worth noting that are in this particular vein, please let me know about 'em! And this is totally unrelated, but I can't ignore certain BOMPers wistfully reminiscing about that old "counting song" on Sesame Street......man, THAT was a fucking punk rock song, man! I also remember some other counting song that had sitars and a mideastern psych feel.....I would kill to have either or both songs on tape, I wonder if ANYONE might have 'em recorded....... Love, peace & Kermit.... RAY BRAZEN EL MUNDO LOCO DE LOS DUG DUG'S: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/6115 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:23:57 -0600 (CST) From: James Patrick Moran Subject: Re: Crime On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Matt Cohen wrote: > > Does anyone know anything about the Crime CD that is supposedly coming out > on Revenant Records? Does anyone know of a web address or mailing address > where I can get ahold of Revenant for information? When is the CD > supposed to come out? > > Is this the Revanant run by John Fahey that has issued non-Bomp stuff like Cecil Taylor, Jim O'Rourke and Dock Boggs? Jim Moran ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:29:29 +0000 From: Menachem Turchick Subject: Re: Searching in the Wilderness Sander van Malssen wrote: > > On Wednesday, 11 March 1998 at 14:09:45 -0500, Constantine Mekios wrote: > > > Jeff Kopp wrote: > > > > > I came across a very cool compilation of some '60s European garage > > > punk while perusing the vinyl racks at a local record shop, The > > > Record Exchange here in St. Louis over the weekend. It's called > > > Searching In The Wilderness and is on a label called Muziek Expres. > > > > I was wandering about who put this compilation out, as well. I thought > > it might have been someone from Europe (Holland perhaps?) due to the > > nature of the material and the name of the label (Muziek Express) but > > apparently I was wrong if Blair's information is correct. Can anyone > > else confirm it? > > Sounds like Constantine's found an original and Kopper an 80s > re-release, I'd say. Muziek Express was (is?) a music magazine here in > the Nethelands, which also used to release their own vinyl. The > Outsiders' very first single "Sun's Going Down" was an ME release, for > example. There's no relation between the original Muziek Express and the people who put out Searching. They just borrowed the name. Blair is correct that the comp came out of New York in the mid-80s. It was an early project of Dave Brown's before he got Distortions Records going. It's been unavailable for a couple years - Get Hip still carried it in 1994 or so - - but I don't think it's all that rare (as these things go). It's definitely one of the strongest euro-beat comps in existence, though a lot of the tracks have since been reissued from master tapes by other labels. Menachem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: Constantine Mekios Subject: Re: Searching in the Wilderness Sander van Malssen wrote: > Sounds like Constantine's found an original and Kopper an 80s > re-release, I'd say. Muziek Express was (is?) a music magazine here in > the Nethelands, which also used to release their own vinyl. The > Outsiders' very first single "Sun's Going Down" was an ME release, for > example. I don't think so. Probably we both got copies of the same 80's release as they are on the same label (Muziek Express). Actually, I thought that there was only one edition of this compilation. But in any case, it looks like it was released in the Netherlands. Thanks for the information Sander. Dinos PS. Was Muziek Express a 60's magazine? That should be the case if they released the first Outsiders' single. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:42:07 -0500 (EST) From: Constantine Mekios Subject: Re: Searching in the Wilderness Thanks for the clarification Menachem. I just got this after I sent my previous message with the same subject... On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Menachem Turchick wrote: > > Sander van Malssen wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, 11 March 1998 at 14:09:45 -0500, Constantine Mekios wrote: > > > > > Jeff Kopp wrote: > > > > > > > I came across a very cool compilation of some '60s European garage > > > > punk while perusing the vinyl racks at a local record shop, The > > > > Record Exchange here in St. Louis over the weekend. It's called > > > > Searching In The Wilderness and is on a label called Muziek Expres. > > > > > > I was wandering about who put this compilation out, as well. I thought > > > it might have been someone from Europe (Holland perhaps?) due to the > > > nature of the material and the name of the label (Muziek Express) but > > > apparently I was wrong if Blair's information is correct. Can anyone > > > else confirm it? > > > > Sounds like Constantine's found an original and Kopper an 80s > > re-release, I'd say. Muziek Express was (is?) a music magazine here in > > the Nethelands, which also used to release their own vinyl. The > > Outsiders' very first single "Sun's Going Down" was an ME release, for > > example. > > There's no relation between the original Muziek Express and the > people who put out Searching. They just borrowed the name. Blair is > correct > that the comp came out of New York in the mid-80s. It was an early > project > of Dave Brown's before he got Distortions Records going. It's been > unavailable for a couple years - Get Hip still carried it in 1994 or so > - > but I don't think it's all that rare (as these things go). It's > definitely > one of the strongest euro-beat comps in existence, though a lot of the > tracks > have since been reissued from master tapes by other labels. > > Menachem > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:29:52 -0500 From: wigout6@juno.com (William H Jones) Subject: [none] John Lee wrote: > I'd be interested in seeing examples of bands who somehow made money from their music even while remaining unknown to the general public and not selling a lot of records... most of them do so not through selling their music through TV commercials, but by getting other, more well-known artists to either cover or sample their music on a record which ends up selling big, thus enabling the obscure artist whose music is being used to earn royalties off the bigger artist's sales. Another good example of this occurred when a tune by a New York garage / Merseybeat band named The Mosquitos was covered by The Monkees as their 1986 comeback single. "That Was Then, This Is Now" reached the Top 20, but things didn't work out for the band - they broke up later that year. The royalties have probably been fairly good for Vance Brescia, who was listed as the sole songwriter, since it's popped up on all of The Monkees' best-of compilations, including their excellent Listen To The Band box set. Be seeing you, Bill _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:39:19 EST From: JWBon Subject: Cleveland There's been a thread recently about cool places to live. Anyone commented on Cleveland yet? I may be moving there, and I'd like to know anything about the town garage-scene/bars/record stores-wise. (I do know The Cowslingers hail from there...) Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:01:22 -0800 From: "Eric D." Subject: We've only just be...raaaalph!!!! > Of course,Richard Carpenter was heavily into 'ludes,so he didn't know > what he was doing,and coulda picked some other commercial.(that's a > joke,ha!) Actually,Richard Carpenter was heavily into Frank Zappa (seriously!) There's a famous bootleg of Zappa and the Mothers from Ohio '74 during which, Richard And Karen join the the Mothers on stage for a jam session on "Brown Shoes Don't Make it"!! Karen even ad libs a spoof on the famous Jimmy Carl Black line by saying: "Hi Boys And Girls,I'm Karen Carpenter and I'm the bulimic of the group". The story goes that right in the middle of Richard's clavinet solo on "Call Any Vegetable", Karen vomited the backstage buffet all over the front rows,having taken the myth about the so called Zappa "gross out" contests a little too literally!! You can visit the Swedish Zappa web site for a picture of this bizarre and liitle known meeting between these three musical legends of the seventies. Just go to: www.zappajam.com/~KCpuke.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:15:19 +1000 From: ben_whitten@nfsa.gov.au Subject: Re:Raven- >From: Jeff Kopp >Subject: Re: Searching in the Wilderness > >One thing I forgot to mention about this comp was that it came with a >Raven Records catalog (Cattle Dog?) dated 1984 and featuring some things >I'd be very interested in finding: Ugly Things comp. (Vol. 1 & 2), The >Raven EP LP Vol. 1 (w/The Throb, Purple Hearts, Wild Cherries, & Missing >Links), and Jeff Lynne & The Idle Race: "Sea Of Dreams" anthology. Are >these still available anywhere? I don't know how the Raven catalog got in the Searching...ITW comp - they're totally unrelated. THere is an Ugly Things cd , sort of a best of the vinyl volumes, but the sales were not enough to encourage Raven to do further cd volumes. Some other Ugly THings material is on the two Sixties Downunder cds (also on Raven) and the Devils Children cd comp. Try BOMP mailorder for these. BTW Ugly Things vol.4 was a Aust/NZ psych comp. Most of the good tracks from that are available on the No. 8 Wire lp (NZ stuff) and A Forest of Goldtops cd (Aussie stuff). Raven cds are in-print and easy to find, but all Raven vinyl is deleted and some of them are getting rare now. The Los Shakers lp is my favourite but you never see that anymore, I believe a cd came out a few years ago, possibly in Brazil, but I never saw it. Surely its time for a Los Shakers box set - I nominate Big Beat and Alec Palao for the job! Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:52:11 EST From: Solamente7 Subject: Re: Crime Haven't heard about a Crime reissue, but I have heard through the grapevine that the comp Year of the Rats is being reissued on CD. The comp features a two or three Crime cuts (three if memory serves) plus junk by the Urinals, the New Christs, Matt Average and a bunch of others I forgot about. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:56:52 -0500 From: shepherd Subject: Re: Commercials Jeff Kopp wrote: > > Hess Jeffery wrote: > > > > > > >I remember Miller beer put out a record in the 80's. > > > > The name escapes me, but some company put out a record of a buncha bands > > doing Louie, Louie in the glorious 80's. Talk about monotony. > > I remember that one... wasn't it SST? Nope. It was Rhino. And they did two volumes. Kip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:03:38 -0500 (EST) From: balso snell Subject: [none] a question not entirely bomp related - does anyone know where one would purchase 45 converters, those small and seemingly innocuous peices of plastic that allow one to play big-hole 45s on your average record player? specifically the round type, as opposed to the three-prong models, though either will do. and does anyone know what they are called? feel free to email me off-list. thanks. - dorothy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the Now Sound (in stereo) garagepunksurfn'roll 1-3 am Monday nights 91.9 wcfm williamstown now in real audio - wso.williams.edu/orgs/WCFM/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:17:09 -0500 From: shepherd Subject: Re: Los Doltons, Os Mutantes etc.... I also remember some other counting song that > had sitars and a mideastern psych feel.....I would kill to have either or both > songs on tape, I wonder if ANYONE might have 'em recorded....... Yes! I have watched the eastern counting song MANY times. My wife got some Sesame Street videotapes for our son. The sitar/flowers count to 20 song is on the one called 'Learning about Numbers', available at just about any toy or bookstore. I remember playing with a Fisher-Price hand crank video tape, uhhm, thingy in the early 70's and seeing this tape. I was amazed when it came up on this tape that Duncan has. By the way, Duncan, age 2 1/2, can count to up to 14. But he does leave out 11. Kip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:55:39 EST From: JimConnell Subject: Re: Sesame Street << I am pretty positive most of the people who worked on Sesame Street were NYC intelligensia. That 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 (3, 3, 3, let's sing a song of threeee. Three... Birthday... cakes... [person falls down stairs holding cakes]) spot is amazing, and most surprisngly, appears on the very first episode of Sesame Street. The late Joe Raposo wrote almost all the music for the early episodes with Jerry Moss writing some of the lyrics. Joe was from a more traditional school of song and music writing and did about half the songs for a 1973 Frank Sinatra lp. >> My uncle (David Connell) was one of the main people involved in the early Sesame Street stuff (he was the producer for a while I think), and I think he definitely would fit in the category of "New York intellegensia" -- a very funny and worldly person who was very committed to childrens' television. Unfortunately he died a year or so ago or I'd be forwarding this stuff to him for comment. Lots of the early Sesame Street people are no longer around, which is a little scary because it doesn't seem that long ago (to me) when it first came out. But it's interesting to note that it wasn't a bunch of young people who put it together. - -jimc ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V98 #1084 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com