From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2000 #26 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Thursday, January 20 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 026 It's another issue of bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or use the form at . The following subjects are included in this digest: Re: video underground... APiandes@aol.com jimi and the velvets Richard.Prest@rbi.co.uk Re: video underground... Tom Davis Re: velvet underground... Rick McCullough Bomp: Re: Video for the bed-resting boldface@easynet.co.uk online vinyl source? "Emery, J." Seks With A Slut Jane Fondle Seks with a Slut(retry!) Jane Fondle Re: all this crap SHBEVLON1@aol.com Sonics To CCR To Nirvana Rmerchandz@aol.com Palace Guard Book Mark Robinson <999@techemail.com> Re: Sonics To CCR To Nirvana SHBEVLON1@aol.com Re: online vinyl source? "Jim Brueggeman" Re: Virtual Yellow Submarine Ride LeaLethargic@aol.com Re: For those who care, we're there... Andies Candies Re: Seks with a Slut(retry!) Andies Candies Re: Seks with a Slut(retry!) Alyssa & Chris VU "barry goubler" Pssst! Just a reminder! "A~S~Go!" Proposed Stax Museum "Canale, Deena" Re: Zappa and the VU Alyssa & Chris Re: VU, crap???!!!!! Alyssa & Chris Re: VU and Andy Warhol Rmerchandz@aol.com Re: Here I am! Alyssa & Chris Re: Yellow Submarine ride "Katrina Dixon" Re: Zappa and the VU Tom Davis Re: VU SHBEVLON1@aol.com Re: Zappa and the VU Alyssa & Chris Re: VU, crap???!!!!! SHBEVLON1@aol.com Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!! Alyssa & Chris Re: VU and Andy Warhol "Wings of Desire" Re: VU, crap???!!!!! Rmerchandz@aol.com Re: Unreleased Oz Sixties bands Mick Crowley "Jeffrey Lemlich" Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!! SHBEVLON1@aol.com Re: velvet underground... MAX WESTON Re: Zappa and the VU Rick McCullough Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!!(long) Alyssa & Chris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 06:10:04 EST From: APiandes@aol.com Subject: Re: video underground... In a message dated 1/20/00 5:03:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!, kipshepherd@hotmail.com writes: > > (I'm at home on bedrest until the babies arrive. Which could be another 2 > > months for all I know. Any good video suggestions? I gots no cable tv.) > > Iron Giant My wife & I got this for our kids at Xmas and we've all seen it 1000 times since. I highly recommend it! ...also some film noire for the boudoir: The Big Carnival (originally "Ace In The Hole") Roadblock A Touch Of Evil and two of Bogie's most underrated flicks The Desperate Hours (Bogie's last, I think) & Sahara (a war flick, a great one) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:21:06 +0000 From: Richard.Prest@rbi.co.uk Subject: jimi and the velvets anyone interested in the Velvets and Hendrix should definatly go beyond the official stufff and check out the bootlegs. The Velvets live were incredible, far more intense (and louder) then the records could ever do justice. I know this is typical of a hell of a lot of bands, but the velvets were something else. genuis definatly. Loaded is so so, but Reed was losing interest in the VU by that point & Moe was missing on maternity leave. some great songs though. the first three LP's are all essential listening! rich ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:33:19 -0500 From: Tom Davis Subject: Re: video underground... At 06:10 AM 01/20/2000 EST, you wrote: >looks like your gettin' some good suggestions. i'll add a few: night and the city (if your gonna do noir don't leave out richard widmark and this is one of the best) loneliness of the long distance runner mean streets purple noon (cool french crime flick with alain delon) >In a message dated 1/20/00 5:03:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!, >kipshepherd@hotmail.com writes: > >> > (I'm at home on bedrest until the babies arrive. Which could be another 2 >> > months for all I know. Any good video suggestions? I gots no cable tv.) > >> >> Iron Giant > My wife & I got this for our kids at Xmas and we've all seen it 1000 >times since. I highly recommend it! > >...also some film noire for the boudoir: >The Big Carnival (originally "Ace In The Hole") >Roadblock >A Touch Of Evil > >and two of Bogie's most underrated flicks >The Desperate Hours (Bogie's last, I think) & Sahara (a war flick, a great >one) > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:02:18 -0800 From: Rick McCullough Subject: Re: velvet underground... Lenny Smith wrote: > (By the way Evan, enjoyed the Adverts review! I for one am glad you'll be > posting these--and Gaye Advert was my very first punk rock crush!). > > Lenny Back off, dude, she's mine! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:06:17 +0000 From: boldface@easynet.co.uk Subject: Bomp: Re: Video for the bed-resting Was watching La Dolce Vita a couple of weeks ago...which I'd recommend. But does anyone know the identity of the rock'n'roll group in the movie? -- PJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:51:44 -0600 From: "Emery, J." Subject: online vinyl source? is there a good online source for vinyl? i'm wanting to pick up the new flamin groovies lp on munster. surprisingly midnight doesn't have it listed, and i'd just as soon handle the whole transaction online rather than having to call them anyway... thanks, joe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Fondle Subject: Seks With A Slut http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/00/01/20/CELLARS_BY_STARLIGHT.html ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 07:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Fondle Subject: Seks with a Slut(retry!) Sorry, kids, if this reached you twice(email trouble!) Jane Fondle http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/music/00/01/20/CELLARS_BY_STARLIGHT.html ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:31:37 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: all this crap In a message dated 01/19/2000 10:18:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, DonTGD@erols.com writes: << I will say that Nirvana loved the Sonics & NW catalog, Billy Childish, and other garage types (also, obviously, Dinosaur Jr) which directly influenced their sound and were the real forerunners of that crap. >> Sorry...but i don't care if the only thing Cobain listened to was The Sonics 24/7; fact is, they sound NOTHIN like em. TO me they sound more like the drudgery of early 70s radio friendly metal. Or at least influenced by it. Evan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:01:53 EST From: Rmerchandz@aol.com Subject: Sonics To CCR To Nirvana In a message dated 1/20/2000 10:33:29 AM, SHBEVLON1@aol.com writes: << Sorry...but i don't care if the only thing Cobain listened to was The Sonics 24/7; fact is, they sound NOTHIN like em. TO me they sound more like the drudgery of early 70s radio friendly metal. Or at least influenced by it. Evan >> I can hear a progression from the Sonics, to Creedence Clearwater Revival, to Nirvana actually. Nirvana used to play CCR in their sets! I don't really like Nirvana's guitar sound, but they wrote some undeniably catchy tunes. Baskerville Rob ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 2000 08:53:14 -0800 From: Mark Robinson <999@techemail.com> Subject: Palace Guard Book Has anyone run across a book written by a member of the Palace Guard. I believe it was written by one of the Beaudine brothers an is entitled "From Heaven To Hell". thx - -m _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:57:42 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: Sonics To CCR To Nirvana In a message dated 1/20/00 11:03:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Rmerchandz@aol.com writes: << I can hear a progression from the Sonics, to Creedence Clearwater Revival, to Nirvana actually. >> I suppose I'm more fond of regression. Evan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:00:15 CST From: "Jim Brueggeman" Subject: Re: online vinyl source? >From: "Emery, J." >Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com >To: Bomp >Subject: online vinyl source? >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:51:44 -0600 > Try Rockboss.com They have all the munster stuff. >is there a good online source for vinyl? > >i'm wanting to pick up the new flamin groovies lp on munster. surprisingly >midnight doesn't have it listed, and i'd just as soon handle the whole >transaction online rather than having to call them anyway... > >thanks, >joe > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:07:11 EST From: LeaLethargic@aol.com Subject: Re: Virtual Yellow Submarine Ride In a message dated 1/19/00 11:38:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, lpsmith@gwi.net writes: << Now if only someone would turn Never Mind the Bollocks into a theme park ride... Could you imagine? "Throw up in an airport!" "Swear on TV!" "Beat up Pete Townshend!" "Overdose with Sid!" >> *luaghs heartily* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) From: Andies Candies Subject: Re: For those who care, we're there... - --- APiandes@aol.com wrote: > Andrea, I'll take you up on your offer to tape that > Raunchy R & B thing w/the > Bullmoose Jackson "Big 10"" track on it. > Okay, Alex. That's on "Risque Rhythms", I think. I have another raunchy r & b cd; I'll just tape both for ya! - --Andrea __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Andies Candies Subject: Re: Seks with a Slut(retry!) - --- Jane Fondle wrote: > >>(email trouble!)<<< What, is that a remake of a John Waters film for the new millenium? (LOL) Andrea __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:57:26 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: Seks with a Slut(retry!) wish I could be there, I listen to the Astroslut CD whilst cleaning the casa, and man, it's akin to feeling like a sexy version of the Jetson's maid. (BTW, I DID get the original email) If you and your coterie head that way, extremities intact, give us the skinny on the show! and just how warm is our Janie going to be sans, umm, most of her clothing..........hope the venue has piped heat! later, you: ~ALYSSA Andies Candies wrote: > --- Jane Fondle wrote: > > > > >>(email trouble!)<<< > > What, is that a remake of a John Waters film for the > new millenium? (LOL) > > Andrea > > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:00:07 CST From: "barry goubler" Subject: VU I still love the velvets,although i listened to them so much in high school that i kinda burned out on them.i still think that warhol's discovering them is his sole contribution to western civilizaton.let's not forget those great bargin-bin surf/hot-rod/soul records reed and cale did in the early 60's.and of course,the Downliner Sect's "Why Dont You Smile Now" was a reed/cale composition. ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:21:10 +0000 From: "A~S~Go!" Subject: Pssst! Just a reminder! Just a quick lil reminder ~ All Systems Go is EVERY Thursday ~ that's tonight, kiddies ~ 1111 Washington Avenue, Minneapolis ~ 9PM to close ~ stupendiferious and splendid 60's sounds in jazz, freakbeat, foreign beat, soul, Hammond, psych and garage ~ drink specials and room to dance ~ absolutely no cover ~ reply to this message for more info ~ toodleloo ~ Bek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:17:19 -0500 From: "Canale, Deena" Subject: Proposed Stax Museum Got this from the southernsoul list. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/stax.site/news.htm Deena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:31:20 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: Zappa and the VU Rick McCullough wrote: > I love the Velvets. But I also love the early Mothers records, big huge DITTO............. > > Trouble is, those two bands hated each other. In fact, Zappa disliked > the VU so much that he went out of his way to bash them on his "We're > Only In It For The Money" album. Don't forget the absolute LOATHING Reed had for those "California motherfuckers", who he felt had none of the urban angst New Yorkers underwent daily. Sunshine and beaches, love-ins and be-ins not his thang. There are several instances where he lashed out vehemently against the mothers. > What a shame, considering how really alike they were: absolute damn shame. > both taking a decidedly > non-commercial art-rock approach; both recording for Verve; and both > ardently opposed to the then reigning flower power hype. I dunno, it's > almost like having to choose one of your parents if they divorce. Rick EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. ~ALYSSA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:34:17 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: VU, crap???!!!!! aaaaaaaaaacckkk! Say it ain't so!? Crap? C'MON! Everyone has diff opines, as witnessed on this list, but to dismiss such an influential and seminal band based on one song.......tsk, tsk. I said I wouldn't enter the fray...................but............. SHBEVLON1@aol.com wrote: > I've only heard a compilation of songs written by Lou Reed. I'd have to > say that "Herione" is good and the rest is boring crap. > Evan I respect your opinion, I really do, but here, I take issue. Listen to a multitude of the material before making such a sweeping statement. If you listened to "Heroin, no"e", then you must have had access to the whole VU & Nico album, (the banana one, laymen call it).............as an accompaniment to that song, what about, "Waiting for the Man", and to not applaud "Venus in Furs",?? Hell, back in our drug daze in SF, we always greeted the sunrise with "Sunday Morning". Anyhoo, this entire album it fan-fucking tastic and in '91 we heard Lou Reed give a spoken word performance in SF, and his lyrics ARE poetry. Love 'im or loathe him, he IS a fearless pioneer. You have to have some serious convictions and guts to thumb the hippie-esque establishment and play the mixture of cacophany and driving tempos coupled with delicacy that no artist(s) at the time came close to............sorry 'bout the diatribe, but seeing "VU" and "crap" coupled in tandem makes me a little testy. When in NY next, put on those headphones, saunter around the city, and you'll definitely get it. > People tell me to check out the "White Light, White Heat" album but I still > haven't gotten > around to it. I know I don't like the song that much. !!!! Listen to "Sister Ray", methinks you'll change your tune. Plus, the absolute crescendo of guitars and their "asia minor" chord progressions, is outta this world. Check out; Lou Reed Anthologies as well, Set the Twilight Reeling, LR "Diff Times"n the Seventies VU, Another View ("ride into the sun" is rough beauty) also tons of boots, Nico's offerings, as well as John Cale's interesting forays............after listening, some people do get that :Eureka!" sensation, and can't live without these additions to their collections. sorry to be preachy, I could go on and on and on, even touting Italian bootlegs, but, hey, give the body of work a chance. As to the aloof factor, yeah, they're guilty as charged, and I dig it. VU DOES grows on you, always either having adoration thrust upon them or just the 'I don't get this" stance. (Evident in the posts) Here's hoping you get it, soon! Listen and be happy, (or cynically disillusioned ;-) sincerely, ~ALYSSA ps Lenny's post said it all, succinctly, perfectly, wonderfully. Listen to that man. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:37:34 EST From: Rmerchandz@aol.com Subject: Re: VU and Andy Warhol In a message dated 1/20/2000 2:01:49 PM, barrygoubler@hotmail.com writes: << i still think that warhol's discovering them is his sole contribution to western civilizaton. >> It may be Wahhol's BEST contribution, but definitely not his only. Andy was a great conceptualist. For very entertaining reading, pick up the book of Andy Warhol's quotes - "In His Own Words". I've never heard one person (next to George Carlin maybe?) say so many ingenious things! Also - the Warhol produced Paul Morrissey films for Dracula (the better of the two) and Frankenstein are hysterical! I can't say I'd ever hang his art on my wall, especially those neon portraits... gross! Baskerville Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:51:02 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: Here I am! sorry, didn't see this Murray! Murray Abisch wrote: > and got overloaded w/ a backlog of work. > Thanks Alyssa, it gladdens my heart that there's at least one kind soul out > there that appreciates me! Maybe I'll see ya at Springstomp... Groovy, cool, hope to see you there: we'll be there with bells on. Let's hook up this time good to know you're out there, with your no-nonsense, take-no-prisoners style. It helps that I usually agree w/you! ~ALYSSA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:59:38 GMT From: "Katrina Dixon" Subject: Re: Yellow Submarine ride >From: "Lenny Smith" >Subject: Virtual Yellow Submarine Ride > >This item appeared on the Flamin' Groovies e-mail list: ><
All aboard the Yellow Submarine. The famous Beatles animated film is now a >virtual reality ride which opens tomorrow (January 20) at Sony's theme park >in Berlin. >Battle the Blue Meanies, meet Sgt Pepper and the Nowhere Man, all to the >sounds of Beatles' songs including 'When I'm 64', 'Only A Northern Song', >'Sgt Pepper' and 'All You Need Is Love'.<<< Wow! I'm going to be in Berlin the week after next, so I can't wait to see this... Apparently, there is still a huge walk-in Yellow Submarine in Liverpool, left over from their Garden Festival. I've never seen it, but I love the idea. Someone should be making Yellow Submarine Wendy Houses or tents or something. Katrina (who doesn't post much and is a hopeless pen-pal - hello Glynis, hello DC...) ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:01:00 -0500 From: Tom Davis Subject: Re: Zappa and the VU At 01:31 PM 01/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: >victor bockris's transformer makes a good read of the velvets disastrous west coast jaunt and the visceral dislike the band had for california and how much that dislike was reciprocated: "i hope you motherfuckers bomb!" - -bill graham before the velvets hit the stage at the fillmore. "i remember there was a group of us sitting in this apartment in new york and the telephone rang and someone told us that jim morrison had just died in a bathtub in paris...he asked for it. i had no compassion at all for that silly los angeles person. how dumb, he was so dumb." -reed on the death of morrison. > >Rick McCullough wrote: > >> I love the Velvets. But I also love the early Mothers records, > >big huge DITTO............. > >> >> Trouble is, those two bands hated each other. In fact, Zappa disliked >> the VU so much that he went out of his way to bash them on his "We're >> Only In It For The Money" album. > >Don't forget the absolute LOATHING Reed had for those "California >motherfuckers", who he felt had none of the urban angst New Yorkers >underwent daily. Sunshine and beaches, love-ins and be-ins not his thang. >There are several instances where he lashed out vehemently against the >mothers. > >> What a shame, considering how really alike they were: > >absolute damn shame. > >> both taking a decidedly >> non-commercial art-rock approach; both recording for Verve; and both >> ardently opposed to the then reigning flower power hype. I dunno, it's >> almost like having to choose one of your parents if they divorce. Rick > >EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. >~ALYSSA > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:25:04 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: VU In a message dated 1/20/00 2:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, barrygoubler@hotmail.com writes: << the Downliner Sect's "Why Dont You Smile Now" was a reed/cale composition. >> HUH!???!??!??! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:29:32 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: Zappa and the VU Tom Davis wrote: > At 01:31 PM 01/20/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >victor bockris's transformer makes a good read of the velvets disastrous > west coast jaunt and the visceral dislike the band had for california and > how much that dislike was reciprocated: "i hope you motherfuckers bomb!" Exactly what I was talking about: folks can check out the animosity circus in the "Licking Lollipops in LA" sec of in the bockris/malanga book.........Lou disses Zappa quite vehemently, (a malefic diatribe), probably due a bit to jealousy, but sincere nonetheless..............I happen to love Zappa and recognize the innate diffs of Left Coast vs Right Coast, but my, what testiness from the ringleaders. ............about The Exploding Plastic Inevitable in LA..................called at times a three-ring discordant circus. Challenging the status-quo whether one thinks it's crap or not, "discordant music, throbbing cadences, pulsating tempo........." LOVE IT! Let the pretty boys whine at the lack of "purity". (as they STILL do today!) lovin' my VU and offshoots, ~ALYSSA nothing makes me happier, especially when a band ala VU does this today T > -bill graham before the velvets hit the stage at the fillmore. "i remember > there was a group of us sitting in this apartment in new york and the > telephone rang and someone told us that jim morrison had just died in a > bathtub in paris...he asked for it. i had no compassion at all for that > silly los angeles person. how dumb, he was so dumb." -reed on the death of > morrison. > > > >Rick McCullough wrote: > > > >> I love the Velvets. But I also love the early Mothers records, > > > >big huge DITTO............. > > > >> > >> Trouble is, those two bands hated each other. In fact, Zappa disliked > >> the VU so much that he went out of his way to bash them on his "We're > >> Only In It For The Money" album. > > > >Don't forget the absolute LOATHING Reed had for those "California > >motherfuckers", who he felt had none of the urban angst New Yorkers > >underwent daily. Sunshine and beaches, love-ins and be-ins not his thang. > >There are several instances where he lashed out vehemently against the > >mothers. > > > >> What a shame, considering how really alike they were: > > > >absolute damn shame. > > > >> both taking a decidedly > >> non-commercial art-rock approach; both recording for Verve; and both > >> ardently opposed to the then reigning flower power hype. I dunno, it's > >> almost like having to choose one of your parents if they divorce. Rick > > > >EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. > >~ALYSSA > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:32:45 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: VU, crap???!!!!! In a message dated 1/20/00 2:39:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, GAST@austin.rr.com writes: << aaaaaaaaaacckkk! Say it ain't so!? Crap? C'MON! Everyone has diff opines, as witnessed on this list, but to dismiss such an influential and seminal band based on one song.......tsk, tsk. I said I wouldn't enter the fray...................but............. >> I didn't base this on one song silly. I didn't even dissmiss them. I bought an entire VU compilation of songs all written by Lou Reed. Out of all of them the only song I thought was worthy of the praise these guys get is "Heroine". Although now that you mention "Sister Ray" I think I remember this one being good too. This was 2 years ago but I'm still pretty positive I wasn't impressed. "Waiting For My Man" sounds like a really weak version of a Stones song. (And is made into a better song by Eater HA! That should make me REAL popular.) I can slap on Back From The Grave and listen to The Elite play "My COnfusion" which is Stones style and BETTER than the Stones. And if you think it is inappropriate to compare the VU to BFTG cuz of that apples and oranges syndrome I'm sorry. ANyway, I don't know art...but I know what I like...it's all based on instinct. Evan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:58:57 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!! SHBEVLON1@aol.com aka Evan wrote: > > GAST@austin.rr.com writes: > > << aaaaaaaaaacckkk! Say it ain't so!? Crap? C'MON! Everyone has > diff > opines, as witnessed on this list, but to dismiss such an influential > and seminal band > based on one song.......tsk, tsk. I said I wouldn't enter the > fray...................but............. >> > I didn't base this on one song silly. Hey, watch who yer callin' silly, silly. > I didn't even dissmiss them. Ahhh, my mistake, it sounded like you indicted the entire catalog on one tune. And we can't have that, now can we? > I bought an entire VU compilation of songs all written by Lou Reed. > Out of all of them the only song I thought was worthy of the praise > these guys get is > "Heroine". Heroin. Was it "Between thoughts and expression", which is a Reed penned retrospective? Just wondering, because if you get some of the individual releases, you can see a real progression of thoughtfullness and experimentation. Mozart they are not, but in the muscial scheme of things remain harbingers of a new way of thinking R&R. Anyhoo, I've absorbed your drift, and listen, I wasn't pegging you as a VU hater, I just couldn't pass up the chance to ramble on about one of MY favorite outfits. As I've said before, to each his fucking own, and we'll all sleep at night. (To whit, the JSBE/Pussy Galore post-a-thon) > Although now that you mention "Sister Ray" I think I remember this > one being good too. This was 2 years ago but I'm still pretty positive > I > wasn't impressed. "Waiting For My Man" sounds like a really weak > version of a > Stones song. Well, the thing about VU, is that the works stand alone. Comparisons render opinions that may be skewed, due to the inevitability of comparing the band to contemporaries.........is Tucker the best drummer, can Reed really play the git-box savant style? No. But on it's own, it IS is own. There's your zen for the day > (And is made into a better song by Eater HA! That should make me > REAL popular.) I can slap on Back From The Grave and listen to The > Elite play > "My COnfusion" which is Stones style and BETTER than the Stones. Hey, no arguments here, I think the Morlocks version of a Q-65 song, kicks major ass over the stilted original. (see, I may get stoned by the village mob as well!) Hell, we could go over better covers on comps for a year and a day! > And if you think it is inappropriate to compare the VU to BFTG cuz of > that apples and > oranges syndrome I'm sorry. Hell no! (Never apologize for your opinion). Man, you can compare anything; inevitably it all comes down to what we like, correct? I'm never going to be guilty of slagging someone personally because they don't dig my faves. Hell, I had a pal freak when I was doing yoga to old Dead Can Dance. (confession) > ANyway, I don't know art...but I know what I like...it's all based on > instinct. Instinct, preference, perception, innate gut feeling. How it should be! And thanks for clarifying your stance, I hear ya loud and clear. later, ~ALYSSA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:02:31 GMT From: "Wings of Desire" Subject: Re: VU and Andy Warhol Did someone mention Stuckism? Funny how all Bomp roads lead back to Billy Childish. >From: Rmerchandz@aol.com >Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com >To: bomp@xnet2.com >Subject: Re: VU and Andy Warhol >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:37:34 EST > >In a message dated 1/20/2000 2:01:49 PM, barrygoubler@hotmail.com writes: > ><< i still think that warhol's >discovering them is his sole contribution to western civilizaton. >> > >It may be Wahhol's BEST contribution, but definitely not his only. Andy >was >a great conceptualist. For very entertaining reading, pick up the book of >Andy Warhol's quotes - "In His Own Words". I've never heard one person >(next >to George Carlin maybe?) say so many ingenious things! Also - the Warhol >produced Paul Morrissey films for Dracula (the better of the two) and >Frankenstein are hysterical! I can't say I'd ever hang his art on my wall, >especially those neon portraits... gross! > >Baskerville Rob ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:12:03 EST From: Rmerchandz@aol.com Subject: Re: VU, crap???!!!!! In a message dated 1/20/00 4:34:25 PM, SHBEVLON1@aol.com writes: << ANyway, I don't know art...but I know what I like...it's all based on instinct. Evan >> Hey Evan - you'd probably dig "Guess I'm Falling In Love" off of "Another VU". It is the heaviest 60's song I have ever heard. It pounds and swings. Baskerville Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 100 10:24:10 Australia/NSW From: Subject: Re: Unreleased Oz Sixties bands >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:03:35 GMT >From: "Gothadelic FreakOut" >Subject: australian live garage bands >I know a guy who has all these old reel to reels of australian bands >concerts from the late 60s, many garage bands etc. He has put them onto 6 >CDs but is planing to cut it down to three and releasing them. Wont that be >cool? Nick (seems like you have to be called Nick to release comps in Australia) mentioned that to me a long time ago; hope he does something with it. Apparently he has some wild mid-60s stuff too - a Mildura band covering the Masters Apprentices "Wars Or Hands Of Time" which I can't wait to hear. Peter - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using One.Net's Mail Man. http://mailman.one.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:27:07 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Lemlich" Subject: Mick Crowley - - --Andrea P.S. If anyone has a current email address for Mick Crowley, ex-Hate Bombs, could you please forward it to me? Thanks! You can reach him at mickbomb@mindspring.com Mick wrote my all-time favorite Hate Bombs song, "Safe Harbour". I'm hoping he and the Evidents will make it down to Miami sometime soon... I told him we can do a live webcast! JEFF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:32:42 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!! In a message dated 1/20/00 4:05:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, GAST@austin.rr.com writes: << Mozart they are not, but in the muscial scheme of things remain harbingers of a new way of thinking R&R. >> OK see..this is one of our major differences.....I don't like the "progressive" rock thing....like I hate Sgt. Pepper and stuff like that. As far as I'm concerned it's not rocknroll. I don't want to get into an argument over this...I just think I may have located one of our fundamental differences which obviously determines how we see things on this matter. Evan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: MAX WESTON Subject: Re: velvet underground... Hi, I maybe considered to be talking out a different hole because I only have two Velvet Underground cds, the 1st and a sampler of the Peel slowly box set, so here are some comments. Lyric wise they're up there with Dylan with the example of the demo of Prominent Men and other's in my limited selection. I believe Dylan is overrated in his poetic prowess by rhyming just to rhyme but he did help to put poetic themes in rock along with others, and the VU put the dark side into the mix. Music wise I'm not as sure certainly more accomplished than the Seeds and different than other in the 60s. The nirvana parallel is most likely dark themes in the lyrics, anything more I don't hear, well maybe, only a maybe, the wall of noise thing but I don't have a Nirvana cd to compare with {i did have the 1st big one for a week or so but got rid of it because i might have pulled a kurt cobain before he did. I guess I'd say overrated only because when I see, hear or read some rock 'n' roller or in fact anyone put up as GOD like, even my KINKS, I don't get it. Innovators yes GODS no way!! [It's just the way I think] Max Weston __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:36:37 -0800 From: Rick McCullough Subject: Re: Zappa and the VU Lenny Smith wrote: > > Wow, I love those first few Mothers lp's too, but somehow all these years, I've missed the VU bashing. Could you elaborate, please? It's on the whispered spoken-word part just before Concentration Moon. Probably best heard through headphones. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:47:56 -0800 From: Alyssa & Chris Subject: Re: VU, NOT crap!!!!!(long) SHBEVLON1@aol.com wrote: > > GAST@austin.rr.com writes: > << Mozart they are not, but in the muscial scheme of things remain harbingers > of a new way of thinking R&R.>> strange quote to pull from the post.........outta context a bit. > > OK see..this is one of our major differences.... Not sure I'm gleaning your point I was making 'bout the Velvet Underground.......that WAS the topic? I'm sorry, I must reply, not to slam, but to set a record straight about your assumptions here. No offense generated, I'm just clarifying my stance in regards to your interpretation of my words. Look, man, I'm sure we have scads of differences yet even more of the same likes: many of your posts deal w/bands I absolutely adore, but I see no reason to jump on an "I love 'em too" bandwagon after 10+ postings.............. for redundancy gets boring. If a valid statement about a band I dig is posted, I'll sometimes chime in, depending on mood and time available. If not, a great time to soak in knowledge. Look, we're on the same list here, which indicates a pretty good inclination on our parts for an appreciation of certain genres, and a shared affinity for several musical styles.. However, DON'T assume my personal tastes by judging me or anyone's aesthetic's based on posts regarding ONE band! Hell, I'd need PAGES to delineate the multitude of genres sitting pretty on my music shelves. Though BOMP material rules, I can assure you, jazz to classical, cuban to hindi, hardcore to straight-edge, post-punk to ethereal, and every other musical foray grace my stereos. I'm sure you don't spend your time in a Dead Boys haze? > .I don't like the "progressive" rock thing....like I hate Sgt. Pepper and stuff > like that. Sgt Pepper's notwithstanding, progressive isn't really what I'd call VU...............(hell, what do ya call SF Sorrow?)I'm not dissing you, so chill, but when I think of progressive, I think of the King Crimson and Adrian Belew contingent, even going as far as Marillion, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, and god and goddess, loads of others. VU is more, regressive if you must, musically. I mean that in a good way. > As far as I'm concerned it's not rocknroll. I don't want to get into an > argument > over this... Neither do I.....there is absolutely .no arguing necessary, that's why these forums are great............I thought I made it clear(?)My answer wasn't attacking, just an elucidation.....of how I felt, how YOU feel is also valid. Opinion is the key word that gets lost time and again on the list. > I just think I may have located one of our fundamental differences which > obviously determines how we see things on this matter. ?and what is that, pray tell? > > Evan Are you infering the way I feel about the Velvet Underground, negates my feelings for strings of artists on every known garage, neolithic,sick and twisted, foreign label(s)????? Nay, I've been immersed in some of the oldest, sickest shit (GG Allin rip) for years, and my soft spot for VU hinders no allegiance to any other band.(s) and the labels that carry them. Liking ANY band doesn't become an ABSOLUTE precursor to liking another. Doesn't work that way. One more thing Evan, again, I've no bad vibes absorbed from your post, I just think sometimes it's prudent to write a little more and tell the other side o' things. That's all. The only fundamental diff is how we view The Velvet Underground and said bands contribution to the scheme of things. Rock and Roll is a vast moniker, and pin-pointing any band or any movement, any genre, or any individual as exclusively integral is impossible. Turn up your Real Kids, rock out, have fun, and may all continue to expand horizons. And remember: this wasn't an argument. ciao, ~ALYSSA ps listening to Stooges, and may just listen to some BOC, or Ian Whitcomb, depending on mood. ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2000 #26 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com