From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2000 #35 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Monday, January 24 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 035 It's another issue of bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or use the form at . The following subjects are included in this digest: new stuff out "Sylvain" Re: Who exactly is Bill Tupper? "Blair" Re: D.I.Y. series "Blair" Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? Moparlary@aol.com Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? Rmerchandz@aol.com Re: Lou Reed/Velvet Underground "Karl Roper" Re: Bomp List Archives/S. Service Moparlary@aol.com Re: new stuff out/sylvain Jason M Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? Moparlary@aol.com Re:WLP PETER Re: new stuff out/Lost Generation 2 PETEP@aol.com Re: new stuff out/sylvain Rocky Serkowney Re: new stuff out Rocky Serkowney Re: Off-Topic: Need Advice re: ISPs "Tee" Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... "Mike Markesich" Re: Off-Topic: Need Advice re: ISPs Alyssa & Christofer Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... "nipper@thestranger.com" Re:"Collectors" PETER Re: "Collectors" Alyssa & Christofer Re: Tucker/Gories-Story Alyssa & Christofer Re: new stuff out Johnny Carwash Re: "Collectors" SHBEVLON1@aol.com Re: Lou Reed/Velvet Underground "Blair" rcn Don Smith Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... TSanc43763@aol.com Re: record vaccuum PETEP@aol.com The Secret Service William H Jones Re: Bill Tupper yeeyeemgt@webtv.net (Michael Quirk) Re: Re:"Collectors" "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... brian marshall Re: Re:"Collectors" "Tee" Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... TSanc43763@aol.com Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... JeffSNYC@aol.com Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell..Pt. 2. JeffSNYC@aol.com Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... TSanc43763@aol.com Re: "Collectors" Rick McCullough Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism Alyssa & Christofer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:46:04 CET From: "Sylvain" Subject: new stuff out As there's still some place left between my Backyard Babies singles and my swatiska collection, here's a list of stuff I'm planning to purchase, if I still can do a few bucks from the lost Jews treasure that the swiss government had graciously offered to me to keep on doin my zine. Any opinions bout the LP below are welcome: - - V/A. "The Electric Lemonade Acid Test" (uk 60s psy). 10th Planet Rds. - - V/A. "Beat On The Krauts" vol. 2 Romulan Rds. - - V/A. "From The Garage To The Kitchen" (dutch girl 60s beat) Waterpipe Rds. - - V/A. "The Seventh Son" (uk/us 60s garage/psy/freakbeat) CD - -V/A. "Punkville" (aussie garage / beat) ...and what seems the most interesting: - -V/A. "Psychegaelic" (french freakbeat feat. stuff by les 5 Gentlemenn (great !), Benjamin (perfect!), le Bain Didonc (the best ever !!!), Edouard (...!!!), etc, etc... is it made by the same guys behind "Ils Sont fous ces Gaulois", and is it a comp of the 3lps with some more bonus trax ??? Best current comps spinning constantly currently on my turntable: Tony the tiger presents Vol. 1 (dyonisus rds) - psy/acid punk lost generation vol. 2 (dig up rds) - garage punk Diggin Up Down Under (dig the fuzz rds) - aussie/kiwi beat & garage sylvain / switzerland ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:48:17 -0500 From: "Blair" Subject: Re: Who exactly is Bill Tupper? >Who is Bill Tupper? First, Tupper and PJ are two absolutely different people. Tupper did most of his time in Boston, but moved to NYC a couple years ago. My guess is he doesn't do his thing here nearly as much as he did in Boston. Basically, Steve, what you heard on the tapes pretty much explains Tupper. You can also hear him on that live Lyres thing that "Pryct" put out a number of years ago. (Or maybe that's the radio broadcast you're talkin' about, since I know that's what that record is.) But Tupper's got a long history of doing that exact bit... My favorite Tupperism is when he proclaims "The awesome majesticity" of The Lyres. Yeah, he did it again at Cavestomp '99 (and has done so at other local shows, as well.) Personally, I really enjoy seeing Tupper get up there. Not sure how everyone else feels, but I find it entertaining. Blair ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2000 18:50:22 -0500 From: "Blair" Subject: Re: D.I.Y. series >D.I.Y. released 9 of the discs. >UK Punk I (1976-77) >UK Punk II (1977-78) >UK Power Pop I (1976-78) >UK Power Pop II (1978-79) >The New York Scene (1975-78) >California Scene (1976-79) >American Power Pop I (1975-78) >American Power Pop II (1978-79) >Massachusetts Avenue (1975-1983) Can anyone explain to me why all volumes exist solely in the late 70s except for Boston, which runs all the way thru '83? I find it hard to believe they couldn't find enough cool sounds to fit it in - at least - '75 to '79. Or did they have that much trouble licensing stuff? - - Blair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:16:52 EST From: Moparlary@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? In a message dated 1/24/00 11:57:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, DCanale@queenslibrary.org writes: << No...but I've heard of the Mike Hunt Band! (Say "Mike Hunt" fast.) Signed D.C. >> yeah they do Stones Covers pretty well, reports a spy in the field. A bad sign of people getting stupider....I was in a bowling alley when a worker comes on the PA and sez...Phone call for Mike Hunt, Call for Mike Hunt...I'm the only one in the place cracking up he keeps saying it and no one else is getting it...he's not getting it . what is the world coming to? Hey Moe.....Moparlary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:20:24 EST From: Rmerchandz@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? I think Bob Hunt are a band from Switzerland or Sweden? I am not looking for Mike Hunt. (no laughing please) Baskerville Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:27:27 +1000 From: "Karl Roper" Subject: Re: Lou Reed/Velvet Underground True that he is such an asshole but you gotta love the interviews (to use the description somewhat loosely) he gives (?). More interesting a subject than most, I gotta say. Though I once heard that he was only a belligerent prick with journalist types & was usually most accommodating (& almost charming) with fans..... Sorry to take the thread off onto another tangent, but what's with the fact that these guys (Iggy's another that comes to mind) leave/disband/whatever their truly great band & end up either a shadow of their former selves if not just out & out sucking as solo artists. Something like a band being the sum of its parts maybe??? Just a thought. > Reed may have been a pioneer but he's such an asshole and takes himself so > seriously as an "artist" it's almost too painful to listen to VU recs in the > context of the time they came out in. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:30:58 EST From: Moparlary@aol.com Subject: Re: Bomp List Archives/S. Service In a message dated 1/24/00 2:52:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, me@evandavies.com writes: << >You can also buy The Secret Service Cd for a bit more at these fine >websites: >www.notlame.com > >> Not Lame rocks my little world...very happy dealing with them!!! damn the groceries...more CDS/LP's Moparlary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jason M Subject: Re: new stuff out/sylvain - --- Sylvain wrote: > Best current comps spinning constantly currently on > my turntable: > Tony the tiger presents Vol. 1 (dyonisus rds) - > psy/acid punk > lost generation vol. 2 (dig up rds) - garage punk > Diggin Up Down Under (dig the fuzz rds) - > aussie/kiwi beat & garage > sylvain / switzerland Hey, where can I find Lost Generation Vol. 2? Does anyone know of somewhere in the US? - -Jason Mata __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:43:49 EST From: Moparlary@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? In a message dated 1/24/00 7:23:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rmerchandz@aol.com writes: << I am not looking for Mike Hunt. (no laughing please) >> too late! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 00 11:48:24 +1100 From: PETER Subject: Re:WLP >From: PETEP@aol.com >Subject: Promo VS. Stock Copy of 45's > > Stock copies of a 45 usually are worth more than promo copies. >Sometimes, stock is worth much more. I know that I personally like stock >copies because they usually have the nicer color labels vs. the plain white >labels of many promo copies. > >Pete Most obscure '60s garage 45s on medium-to-major labels are promo-only, because they were never hit records. Either that or very few stock copies exist compared to the promos, as is the case with the Groupies - Primitive (Atco) and the Others - I Can't Stand This Love, Goodbye (RCA). Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:52:34 EST From: PETEP@aol.com Subject: Re: new stuff out/Lost Generation 2 In a message dated 1/24/2000 7:43:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jamigmat@yahoo.com writes: << Hey, where can I find Lost Generation Vol. 2? Does anyone know of somewhere in the US? >> I got mine at midnight, nyc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:58:28 From: Rocky Serkowney Subject: Re: new stuff out/sylvain >Hey, where can I find Lost Generation Vol. 2? Does >anyone know of somewhere in the US? >-Jason Mata Got mine from Bomp mail-order for around $17. Rocky. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:59:00 From: Rocky Serkowney Subject: Re: new stuff out At 12:46 AM 1/25/00 CET, you wrote: >-V/A. "Psychegaelic" (french freakbeat feat. stuff by les 5 Gentlemenn >(great !), Benjamin (perfect!), le Bain Didonc (the best ever !!!), Edouard >(...!!!), etc, etc... is it made by the same guys behind "Ils Sont fous ces >Gaulois", and is it a comp of the 3lps with some more bonus trax ??? I don't think so...I believe it's the product of our recent Bomp-pal, Denis "Ultra Chicks") from Montreal. Rocky. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:59:43 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Need Advice re: ISPs FUCK RCN!!!!!!!! AVOID RCN AT ALL COSTS!!! Uh, sorry, y'all. RCN bought the small, but excellent ISP (DNAI) I used to work for in Berkeley and ruined one of the best ISPs ever. So I'm still just a wee bit sensitive on that issue..... I say avoid the "Evil Empire" ISPs that gobble up the little indie ISPs (hmm...sound familiar?) Go small and indie whenever possible. Small and indie does not mean you'll get substandard service or technology. Usually, the customer service and the service provided will be of a higher caliber. Miss Tee Who's now worked for two indie ISPs that have been gobbled up and shat out by Evil Empires - --- Tee & Thee Crumpets- www.bitey.com/crumpets Outta The Basement And Into The Garage!- www.bitey.com/tee On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:10:17 Evan_Davies wrote: > > >I'll just add a couple of comments to Neil's excellent summary since I've >been playing ISP roulette over the last year or so. First of all, *avoid* >any RCN service, which in the Northeast includes Erols and I think Javanet. >I was with Interport, a small NYC ISP, for years until they sold out to RCN >a year or two ago. As soon as RCN took over the service went straight into >the dumper, plus they started taking away features that made Interport >unique. In the meantime, and before I knew how bad things were going to >get, I'd moved to Jersey so I signed up with Erols thinking that eventually >it would tie in with my old Interport account. I had frequent problems >with busy signals and inability to connect, so after a couple of months I >bailed. > >(On the other hand, my Mom who lives in suburban Boston has had an Erols >account since she retired about a year and a half ago and she seems quite >happy with it. I think there's at least one Bomp-er with Erols also. >Maybe I was just in a bad area for them.) > >I went from Erols to Mindspring. (Hi Brian! Hi Brian!) Mindspring was >great... never a problem connecting. Unfortunately I had to move again >last fall, and there were no local Mindspring numbers in my new town -- >they were all regional toll calls, which cost a fortune. (My first phone >bill after I moved was in the low three figures, but that's another story.) >Grudgingly, I switched to Earthlink which has a number in the town next >door (and, coincidentally, they're merging with Mindspring). They've been >almost as good... once in a while I get a busy signal but I usually get >through after no more than 5 attempts. > >Good luck Andrea -- hope all this info helps instead of making you more >confused! Feel free to e-mail me if you have other questions. > >Evan > > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:11:47 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... Hey Nipper, I can chime in on this subject - why some pressings sound like shit, 'tho the records look new, and the haze factor... Polystyrene pressings were developed by (I think) RCA-Victor in the mid-late 1950's as a cost saving factor. Seems vinyl was going up in price, so RCA pressed up some 45's with the new material. The powers that be deemed the quality "sucked", and went back to vinyl. However, Columbia went with polystyrene. Polystyrene 45's are lighter in weight than vinyl, and have a "square edge, or lip. Vinyl 45's are not square at the rim, and are sharper to the touch. Mala label 45's are a perfect example. Unless you get near mint copies, they will sound like shit. Took me years to find a perfect copy of "GTO". On one hand, a Mint polystyrene 45 will sound better than a Mint vinyl 45, as vinyl is soft, and dust and other imperfections get lodged in the grooves, making for surface noise. But a used polystyrene 45 that was played to death suffers from groove distortion; the center part of the groove worn by the sapphire needles used in the old days. I see dealers at record shows play their high-priced 45's on old portable players with nails for needles. One 45 I wanted to buy at a show was a polystyrene press. It looked near mint, but then the dealer spun it on his crappy portable. All it takes is one disasterous play with a bad needle or unbalanced tonearm (none of the old players accounted for the weight of the tonearm bearing down on the groove) to wreck a polystyrene 45, even though it looks mint. Worn polystyrene 45's show wear via a grayish color of the grooves. Labels like Golden Crest and Etiquette were polystyrene presses. That is why used 45's by the Sonics sound shitty most of the time. Autumn label 45's exist as both vinyl and polystyrene - it depends on which plant did the pressing. There are lots of Atlantic and Atco label vinyl pressings on 45 that look near mint, but will play noisy. Lots of reasons for this, mostly due to poor quality vinyl used. Listen to any LP from the 70's to hear why CD's were considered a godsend to people who have to have audio perfection. I've gotten lots of 45's that were near mint, but had a sticky film (I call it "Bayou Jizz", since many records pressed or stored in the southern U.S. have this film on e'm) which clogs up yer needle and blocks the sound. This resulted from the additive used in the vinyl so that the pressing stamper wouldn't stick to the 45 after contact. Humidity over time causes the compound to seperate from the vinyl, and yields the bayou jizz as a filmy substance on the 45. A good cleaning (on a machine) will remove it; just cleaning with water and other chemicals by hand won't completely remove it. Enough record-tech-geek commentary! I now return you to sane programming.... Mop Top Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:19:45 -0800 From: Alyssa & Christofer Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Need Advice re: ISPs > Andies Candies wrote > Hey, I'm FINALLY getting a computer at home, and this > means that everything will get more complex. > Now , it doesn't really HAVE to be! > For > starters, I will need to get an ISP, and I haven't the > slightest idea where to start! Can anyone recommend > any for me, and give me the pros and cons? Danke > schoen! > > --Andrea > Hey, hon, back from another wee 4 fday foray, & Chris and I perused the replies to your inquiry: Neil has omnisciently extracted my/our answers! He has the correct questions, and criteria, and your best bet is to listen to the horror stories as well(Tee's for example) Above all, selectivity, productivity and discernment! I know Evan and Tony are among the Bomp comp-literate. You know you can always bug us anytime..........Any super tech questions, ask us offline, we're glad to of help! It's our world, and for all it's pitfalls, it's a damn good one! good luck, sweetie, it'll be nice gettin' your quips and snips at night! later you, ~ALYSSA > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:28:45 -0800 From: "nipper@thestranger.com" Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... hey, thanks for the info! I (heart) record geek facts! Would you recomend one of those (pricey) Nitty Gritty machines? I kinda wanna get one...as soon as I can find a buyer for my kidney!! Does anyone out there have one, not a kidney a record "vaccum"? Does it REALLY work... >I've gotten lots of 45's that were near mint, but had a sticky film (I call it >"Bayou Jizz"...Humidity over time causes the compound to seperate from the >>vinyl, and yields the bayou jizz...A good cleaning (on a machine) will >remove >it; just cleaning with water and other chemicals by hand won't >completely remove it. Dear God, do I know that pain...this past Xmas in NC I bought about 250 45s and spent the better part of two days cleaning that shit off...mainly otherwise Ex Stax/Motown 45s... ...not attempting to re-cover the "how to clean the stinky LP smell" thread, nipper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 00 12:29:24 +1100 From: PETER Subject: Re:"Collectors" It was written: >or is it just useless collector talk... nothing personal, I just hate >record collectors There are two kinds of record collectors. The first are the type who collect every possible pressing variation of, say, Led Zepplin, the Beatles or Abba. These people are interested in matrix & serial numbers, different coloured label designs or logos, etc. I admit that I don't begin to understand this mentality in the slightest. Then there's the type who actually digs music. The original 45 or LP is usually the best way to hear this music (in lieu of the actual master tapes). I don't think 'collector' is really the right word here; 'devotee' might be more accurate. In the case of '60s garage, if it wasn't for dedicated 'collectors' the era would still be largely unknown, and we'd be listening to whatever nonsense the radio stations choose to play. Or Velvet Underground. PM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:37:28 -0800 From: Alyssa & Christofer Subject: Re: "Collectors" PETER wrote: > It was written: By who?!! > > >or is it just useless collector talk... nothing personal, I just hate > >record collectors wha-hoo, i've missed the last 180 posts, and maybe 'tis out of context, but that's a mighty contentious phrase for this list. hmmm. ~ALYSSA > > > There are two kinds of record collectors. Several, I think, but you're explanation(below) is most rational and the best definition thus far. far back in the post dept. ~ALYSSA > The first are the type who > collect every possible pressing variation of, say, Led Zepplin, the > Beatles or Abba. These people are interested in matrix & serial numbers, > different coloured label designs or logos, etc. I admit that I don't > begin to understand this mentality in the slightest. > > Then there's the type who actually digs music. The original 45 or LP is > usually the best way to hear this music (in lieu of the actual master > tapes). I don't think 'collector' is really the right word here; > 'devotee' might be more accurate. In the case of '60s garage, if it > wasn't for dedicated 'collectors' the era would still be largely unknown, > and we'd be listening to whatever nonsense the radio stations choose to > play. Or Velvet Underground. > PM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 19:40:24 -0800 From: Alyssa & Christofer Subject: Re: Tucker/Gories-Story BOYBOUTOWN@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/21/00 12:22:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, > GAST@austin.rr.com writes: > > << had a friend the other night involving a member of the Gories and their > dependence on their Mom: > can't remember who, anyone? > ~ALYSSA >> > > hahahhahahaha.... yeah, ha, i'm in a beastly/ghastly mood, so cut the derisiveness, & least identify yourself. you obviously got the gist. shit. ~A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:47:26 -0500 From: Johnny Carwash Subject: Re: new stuff out At 12:46 AM 01/25/00 +0100, you wrote: > >As there's still some place left between my Backyard Babies singles and my >swatiska collection, here's a list of stuff I'm planning to purchase, if I >still can do a few bucks from the lost Jews treasure that the swiss >government had graciously offered to me to keep on doin my zine. Any >opinions bout the LP below are welcome: Do you think you're funny? holy smokes .. if I ever run into you, all they're going to be wondering is how a Vespa can pass through a man's digestive system, backwards, and have him survive. vrrr vrr neeeeeer vroooooom _____________________________________ n: well you know what I mean, that mod style. like you're not mod. you're not mod. like blur are not mod. you guys have effects pedals. what are all those effects pedals you have graham? g: they're mod pedals n: yeah, modulation pedals, but I mean... g: you press one of them and a parka suddenly appears Nardwuar The Human Serviette and Graham from Blur February 2, 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:03:26 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: "Collectors" In a message dated 1/24/00 8:30:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, sykadelik@one.net.au writes: << In the case of '60s garage, if it wasn't for dedicated 'collectors' the era would still be largely unknown, and we'd be listening to whatever nonsense the radio stations choose to play. Or Velvet Underground. PM >> HA! Evan ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 2000 21:07:07 -0500 From: "Blair" Subject: Re: Lou Reed/Velvet Underground >I once heard that he was only a belligerent >prick with journalist types & was usually most accommodating (& almost >charming) with fans..... One of my ex-roomies worked as Lou's personal assistant about 10 years ago or so. Said Lou was a totally arrogant SOB. Not sure if the clip's still there, but go to http://www.raremusic.com and see if you can find the answering machine thing with Lou's voice on it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:11:31 -0500 From: Don Smith Subject: rcn God knows this thread was probably beat to death by the time I found it on the digest, but Erols went downhill after RCN buyout in the Summer but a friend with it in Boston says it's as good as ever. So I believe this is the case. Don - --------------- (On the other hand, my Mom who lives in suburban Boston has had an Erols account since she retired about a year and a half ago and she seems quite happy with it. I think there's at least one Bomp-er with Erols also. Maybe I was just in a bad area for them.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:20:34 EST From: TSanc43763@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... In a message dated 1/24/00 5:30:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, nipper@thestranger.com writes: << Would you recommend one of those (pricey) Nitty Gritty machines? I kinda wanna get one...as soon as I can find a buyer for my kidney!! Does anyone out there have one, not a kidney a record "vacuum"? Does it REALLY work... >> I recommend them and have used them for years. The vacuum suction after the wash seems to work for me more than anything else. I've cleaned discs w/alchohol and various cleaning solvents before, but the nitty gritty always made them even more pristine and they played a heck of a lot better. I find it works the best on storage mildewed records. Other groovers may dig different methods, but I really dig my nitty gritty. They are a bit pricey though. I got a great one on discount that had a glue spot on the top. (they reduced it $50.00). The glue spot was no big deal whatsoever and the machine has lasted over 8 years and still groovin'. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:49:10 EST From: PETEP@aol.com Subject: Re: record vaccuum I also recommend the Nitty Gritty or it's excellent competitor(forgot the name). I can't believe that I lived without a good vaccuum cleaner for so long. (There is a good cheap no frills Nitty Gritty imitation that sells for $135.) It makes me feel that I'm playing the record in the cleanest way possible- it eliminates many clicks and pops, and takes out the dust and dirt that is deep in the grooves.. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:03:43 -0500 From: William H Jones Subject: The Secret Service Evan quoted me: >> I'm happy to offer the following import CDs (new) from some Spanish labels at the special price of only $10 + postage. Send e-mail to wigout6@juno.com, quantities are limited. >>The Secret Service - Power and Volume (Snap!! Records) > ... and some other stuff. Of course, that message was from August so that limited quantity is probably long gone. Well, my original message made reference to a number of CDs, I believe, and they are gone (Bart Mendoza has a few copies now, including The Shambles and Ray Brandes). I had extra copies of The Secret Service CD in my possession, however, and still have some for sale, same deal. By the way, I've also got a few copies of a cool Christmas EP by The Montgomery Cliffs (a great current Long Island band) and will throw in one of those as well for only $1 more (to cover postage). > The bottom line: for Secret Service info, contact Bill Jones at the address above! Bingo! Thanks Evan. : - ) Be seeing you, Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listen.to/thesecretservice or http://www.mp3.com (search on The Secret Service) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:46:07 -0500 (EST) From: yeeyeemgt@webtv.net (Michael Quirk) Subject: Re: Bill Tupper Bill Tupper was a part of the Boston scene for over 20 years. He lives in NYC now. He used to play in the Fabulous Billygoons, and I believe he was in the Customs. He used to be at Lyres shows all the time. I played in a band called Tupper Crust with him for a couple of years, a predecessor to my current gig with the Kenne Highland Klan. MJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:14:50 -0500 From: "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" > I don't think 'collector' is really the right word here; >'devotee' might be more accurate. I always tell people, I don't collect records, but I do buy a lot of them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: brian marshall Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... So, where do you get one of these "Nitty Gritty" things? Brian NFTG - --- TSanc43763@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/24/00 5:30:01 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > nipper@thestranger.com writes: > > << > Would you recommend one of those (pricey) Nitty > Gritty machines? I kinda > wanna get one...as soon as I can find a buyer for > my kidney!! Does anyone > out there have one, not a kidney a record "vacuum"? > Does it REALLY work... > > >> > I recommend them and have used them for years. The > vacuum suction after the > wash seems to work for me more than anything else. > I've cleaned discs > w/alchohol and various cleaning solvents before, but > the nitty gritty always > made them even more pristine and they played a heck > of a lot better. I find > it works the best on storage mildewed records. > Other groovers may dig > different methods, but I really dig my nitty gritty. > They are a bit pricey > though. I got a great one on discount that had a > glue spot on the top. (they > reduced it $50.00). The glue spot was no big deal > whatsoever and the machine > has lasted over 8 years and still groovin'. > Tony > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:28:20 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" Damn, I wish I hadn't already zapped the original message for this thread. I have nothing against record collectors. Everybody's gotta collect something. I collect dust, myself. ;) But I HATE, truly fucking hate "record collector snobs". You know...The people who were tooooo coooooool to get excited when the Nuggets box set came out because, *yawn*, they "already have all those records anyway". Or the " record collectors" who treat people new to the garage scene/sounds like crap because someone might ask a question about a Chocolate Watchband record that, *eye rolling and sigh*, "everybody already has and knows about". These people contribute nothing positive to the scene and act like they're involved a vinyl cock measuring contest. Just my completely unsolicitated two cents. Miss Tee - --- Tee & Thee Crumpets- www.bitey.com/crumpets Outta The Basement And Into The Garage!- www.bitey.com/tee On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:14:50 BlackMonk (Tom,as always) wrote: > >> I don't think 'collector' is really the right word here; >>'devotee' might be more accurate. > >I always tell people, I don't collect records, but I do buy a lot of them. > > > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:58:04 EST From: TSanc43763@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... In a message dated 1/24/00 8:17:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, noisejunkie@rocketmail.com writes: << So, where do you get one of these "Nitty Gritty" things? >> They're an English owned company but located of all places in the Inland Empire of Los Angeles (Montebello). I got my address for them outta discoveries magazine, but........ this may help http://www.nviclassical.com/nitty-gritty.html Ciao Tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:07:50 EST From: JeffSNYC@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... Yeah, I know what you mean about the polystyrene 45s. Especially those pressed on Mala. I've got a mint copy of "Move it On Over" by Del Shannon that looks stone mint but has mucho distortion. I have that song on a few CDs (including a volume of Teenage Shutdown), all made from vinyl, and they all have some distortion. Which brings me to my next question, does that record exist on regular vinyl? Jeff Shore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:10:43 EST From: JeffSNYC@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell..Pt. 2. In a message dated 1/24/2000 9:22:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, TSanc43763@aol.com writes: << Other groovers may dig different methods, but I really dig my nitty gritty. They are a bit pricey though. I got a great one on discount that had a glue spot on the top. (they reduced it $50.00). The glue spot was no big deal whatsoever and the machine has lasted over 8 years and still groovin'. >> What do they usually sell for and who sells them? Jeff Shore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:20:55 EST From: TSanc43763@aol.com Subject: Re: Record Abuse: Distortion & How To Tell... In a message dated 1/24/00 9:09:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, JeffSNYC@aol.com writes: << Which brings me to my next question, does that record exist on regular vinyl? >> It's use to be very easy to find out here on the west coast (pre-shutdown series, ha!) All the copies I've seen were always styrene. I've never seen one that wasn't styrene, anyone else seen it?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:26:51 -0800 From: Rick McCullough Subject: Re: "Collectors" Tee wrote: > > > But I HATE, truly fucking hate "record collector snobs". You know...The people who were tooooo coooooool to get excited when the Nuggets box set came out because, *yawn*, they "already have all those records anyway". Or the " record collectors" who treat people new to the garage scene/sounds like crap because someone might ask a question about a Chocolate Watchband record that, *eye rolling and sigh*, "everybody already has and knows about". These people contribute nothing positive to the scene and act like they're involved a vinyl cock measuring contest. > Most music-oriented lists have a certain number of people with that attitude, but I must say that during my first six months on Bomp, that was exactly the vibe I picked up the most. It's a lot better now, but for awhile I was really put off by it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:30:09 -0800 From: Alyssa & Christofer Subject: Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism Tee wrote: > Damn, I wish I hadn't already zapped the original message for this > thread. to reiterate, ditto! Being absent a few daze I missed the origins of the "collector" thread. > I have nothing against record collectors. Everybody's gotta collect > something. I collect dust, myself. ;) But I HATE, truly fucking hate > "record collector snobs". You know...The people who were tooooo > coooooool to get excited when the Nuggets box set came out because, > *yawn*, they "already have all those records anyway". Biff, bang, pow, hon, gemstone that you are, you've have expressed a great sentiment in a perfectly expressive way: my god/goddess, it had to be said. Amen! Once, months ago, a ball-less wonder was too sissified to post his barrage against on the list, and thus hazarded an attempt to attack me in a drunken, pathetic, illiterate, stupified email, wasting his time, and taking me to task for lack of serious muz content in some of my opinionated posts.......to what point? I dunno, but wow did I get a hearty laugh, lambasted the git, and never heard from him again)..............anyhoo, rambling on, my point is that I/we and many on the bomplist own most or many of the shit (music)mentioned time and again, and whilst I immensely, yes, immensely, respect those who are in it for biz purposes, or for the fact that collecting is their personal passion and personal hobby, chiming in about my pristine first edition this or that just ain't my thing, and I do think this type of banter does intimidate some lurkers looking for some new knowledge. These facts are indeed important and do have their place, but insinuating ineptitude for lack of release dates, band personnel,etc, is silly and useless, and alienates some people, as I can attest to the amount of private mail I get asking these types of questions because the person was embarrassed at their lack of knowledge. > Or the " record collectors" who treat people new to the garage > scene/sounds like crap because someone might ask a question about a > Chocolate Watchband record that, *eye rolling and sigh*, "everybody > already has and knows about". I recall some private conversations you and I had some months ago about this sort of thing: (at the time re:SF)...........basically, folks whining about low turnout for shows/scenes/haps, etc, but with such effete snobbery regarding the music, the genres aren't exactly accessible to newbies. I'll admit some guilt in this arena, but it IS a problem, and until garage/60's,etc, virgins aren't made to feel foolish, they aren't going to expand their horizons into this wonderful world. I'm certainly not indicting anyone specifically and there are so many afficianados who do wonderful things (Tony, Jon, and Blair come to mind in the non-snob category)as well as so many other wonderful people on this list as well. And I'm certainly not discounting the value of learning about the technical facets of recording, vinyl, etc. > These people contribute nothing positive to the scene and act like > they're involved a vinyl cock measuring contest. Yep, that's what I'm saying. No elaboration needed here............. > Just my completely unsolicitated two cents. > > Miss Tee Had I known you felt that way, I'd have solicited your take months ago! Apologies for length, when I'm gone, it's hard to keep it succint, and I probably should've posted privately, but perhaps it's food for thought. sincerely, ~ALYSSA ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2000 #35 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com