From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2000 #36 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Tuesday, January 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 036 It's another issue of bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or use the form at . The following subjects are included in this digest: Re: Fleur de Lys and Help needed TSanc43763@aol.com Re: Re:"Collectors" DCAMPA@austin.rr.com Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism "Tee" Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism "Tee" collectors and heroin (not together) Don Smith Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? Bård Hodneland the styrenes jschwart@voicenet.com Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? pekka.laine@yle.fi Bob Hunt/Bob Hund Anders Olsson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:44:12 EST From: TSanc43763@aol.com Subject: Re: Fleur de Lys and Help needed In a message dated 1/24/00 2:33:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, grooviness@ukonline.co.uk writes: << Just picked up the new Fleur de Lys comp LP, blinding stuff including all the pseudonym stuff they recorded - Tick Tock etc., really excellent from a constantly underrated act. Also anyone know a single by Aussie band The Master's Apprentice - Chorus "wai-ai-ting for........" , "but I'll be back someday!" - If u do - where is it comped? >> It's called "War of Hands and time" and a top 5 in my book, not to mention one hell of a genius group. It's on the Masters Apprentices compilation that Raven put out many years ago called "Hands of time". It's probably on CD as well by now. I've never seen the song on a various artists type of comp though, only a disc compiling the groups output. Also recommended is "Jam it up" comp that features a lot of rare and unreleased tracks. Side A of that comp is ace, the flip side ventures on the later stuff. While they had so many great tracks, be careful of the post '67 stuff it gets pretty heavy. Tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 00:06:27 -0800 From: DCAMPA@austin.rr.com Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" Hey to all in the Bompworld! Tee, Alyssa, and Tom, ya'll have hit the nail on the cross about record "collectors" and snobbism. That's one of the reasons why I don't consider myself a "collector", even though I do have a considerable amount of vinyl. Nearly all of my Lps, 45s, and cds I buy to PLAY, the monterary value isn't of that much concern to me, 'cept in trade terms (I have gotten some killer deals recently, too). I guess I'm a collector in the way I try to find both the mono and stereo versions of albums. If I dig the record a lot, I have to have both versions. Besides, it's fun to compare the mixes and hear how alike/different they are from one another. But if I can't find a 45 or Lp, a cd comp will do just nicely (and will probably save a lot of $$$ as well). Certain things I have bought because they are fun, have cool covers, or of historical interest (like speeches of presidents, music boxes, etc), so they are some things I don't play often. But then you can find something you forget you had and spin it again. I do despise record scum types who buy up 7 copies of a record that have no difference, never play any of them, never loan or tape them for others, and boost that they have "the only known copies" of whatever. Makes me sick. Music is to be enjoyed, same goes for toys, movies, books, etc. I'd rather pay $5 for a okay shape record than $30 for a mint copy. In fact, $15 is usually my limit for a single Lp (I've only paid $20 or more twice, I believe). Plus, I like a very electic mix of stuff, from Eddie Cantor to Muddy Waters to the Byrds to the Carter Family. So I can always find something cool and cheap out there, I don't confine to genres or performers or eras. And the Nuggets set rules the world! Signed Texas D.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:04:39 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism > >> I have nothing against record collectors. Everybody's gotta collect >> something. I collect dust, myself. ;) But I HATE, truly fucking hate >> "record collector snobs". You know...The people who were tooooo >> coooooool to get excited when the Nuggets box set came out because, >> *yawn*, they "already have all those records anyway". > >Biff, bang, pow, hon, gemstone that you are, you've have expressed a >great sentiment in a perfectly expressive way: my god/goddess, it had >to be said. Amen! I dunno what crawled up my ass on that one, but it sure needed to come out. :) >I/we and many on the bomplist own most or many of the shit (music)mentioned >time and again, and whilst I immensely, yes, immensely, respect those who are in >it for biz purposes, or for the fact that collecting is their personal >passion and personal hobby, chiming in about my pristine first edition >this or that just ain't my thing, and I do think this type of banter >does intimidate some lurkers looking for some new knowledge. These facts >are indeed important and do have their place, but insinuating >ineptitude for lack of release dates, band personnel,etc, is silly and >useless, and alienates some people, as I can attest to the amount of >private mail I get asking these types of questions because the person >was embarrassed at their lack of knowledge. I think what bothers me the most is, there's alot of new kids into 60's garage who feel shut out and intimidated the the "older" crowd. These are kids who are just discovering this music and want information, not attitude, which, judging from what my younger friends tell me, is what they are getting in abundance. I want to be clear that I'm not speaking of the Bomp list, but just in general. I have a good friend in a band who just recently turned 21. He has actually been told that he's "too young to play garage"! Can you imagine a more ridiculous thing to say to someone who loves this music? God!! Some 21 year old wants to play Standells covers and not Korn! Glory halle-fucking-lujah!!! Wanna keep garage alive? Then encourage the new kids! Don't shut them out and don't look down on them because they don't happen to know the Sonics entire discography or Dave Aguilar's middle name. > >> Or the " record collectors" who treat people new to the garage >> scene/sounds like crap because someone might ask a question about a >> Chocolate Watchband record that, *eye rolling and sigh*, "everybody >> already has and knows about". > >I recall some private conversations you and I had some months ago >about this sort of thing: (at the time re:SF)...........basically, >folks whining about low turnout for shows/scenes/haps, etc, but with >such effete snobbery regarding the music, the genres aren't exactly >accessible to newbies. I'll admit some guilt in this arena, but it IS a >problem, and until garage/60's,etc, virgins aren't made to feel foolish, >they aren't going to expand their horizons into this wonderful world. Yep. I just find it really sad the tales I hear from my younger friends about how they're not taken seriously in regards to garage because of their age, whether it's playing it or listening to/collecting it. >I'm certainly not indicting anyone specifically and there are so many >afficianados who do wonderful things (Tony, Jon, and Blair come to mind >in the non-snob category)as well as so many other wonderful people on >this list as well. And I'm certainly not discounting the value of >learning about the technical facets of >recording, vinyl, etc. Agreed. Nor do I. And never once I have seen the above folks be snotty or know it all to anyone, either. >Had I known you felt that way, I'd have solicited your take months ago! >Apologies for length, when I'm gone, it's hard to keep it succint, and I >probably should've posted privately, but perhaps it's food for thought. >sincerely, Oh, well. If people don't like it, that's why God created the delete key. Miss Tee - --- Tee & Thee Crumpets- www.bitey.com/crumpets Outta The Basement And Into The Garage!- www.bitey.com/tee > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:04:39 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism > >> I have nothing against record collectors. Everybody's gotta collect >> something. I collect dust, myself. ;) But I HATE, truly fucking hate >> "record collector snobs". You know...The people who were tooooo >> coooooool to get excited when the Nuggets box set came out because, >> *yawn*, they "already have all those records anyway". > >Biff, bang, pow, hon, gemstone that you are, you've have expressed a >great sentiment in a perfectly expressive way: my god/goddess, it had >to be said. Amen! I dunno what crawled up my ass on that one, but it sure needed to come out. :) >I/we and many on the bomplist own most or many of the shit (music)mentioned >time and again, and whilst I immensely, yes, immensely, respect those who are in >it for biz purposes, or for the fact that collecting is their personal >passion and personal hobby, chiming in about my pristine first edition >this or that just ain't my thing, and I do think this type of banter >does intimidate some lurkers looking for some new knowledge. These facts >are indeed important and do have their place, but insinuating >ineptitude for lack of release dates, band personnel,etc, is silly and >useless, and alienates some people, as I can attest to the amount of >private mail I get asking these types of questions because the person >was embarrassed at their lack of knowledge. I think what bothers me the most is, there's alot of new kids into 60's garage who feel shut out and intimidated the the "older" crowd. These are kids who are just discovering this music and want information, not attitude, which, judging from what my younger friends tell me, is what they are getting in abundance. I want to be clear that I'm not speaking of the Bomp list, but just in general. I have a good friend in a band who just recently turned 21. He has actually been told that he's "too young to play garage"! Can you imagine a more ridiculous thing to say to someone who loves this music? God!! Some 21 year old wants to play Standells covers and not Korn! Glory halle-fucking-lujah!!! Wanna keep garage alive? Then encourage the new kids! Don't shut them out and don't look down on them because they don't happen to know the Sonics entire discography or Dave Aguilar's middle name. > >> Or the " record collectors" who treat people new to the garage >> scene/sounds like crap because someone might ask a question about a >> Chocolate Watchband record that, *eye rolling and sigh*, "everybody >> already has and knows about". > >I recall some private conversations you and I had some months ago >about this sort of thing: (at the time re:SF)...........basically, >folks whining about low turnout for shows/scenes/haps, etc, but with >such effete snobbery regarding the music, the genres aren't exactly >accessible to newbies. I'll admit some guilt in this arena, but it IS a >problem, and until garage/60's,etc, virgins aren't made to feel foolish, >they aren't going to expand their horizons into this wonderful world. Yep. I just find it really sad the tales I hear from my younger friends about how they're not taken seriously in regards to garage because of their age, whether it's playing it or listening to/collecting it. >I'm certainly not indicting anyone specifically and there are so many >afficianados who do wonderful things (Tony, Jon, and Blair come to mind >in the non-snob category)as well as so many other wonderful people on >this list as well. And I'm certainly not discounting the value of >learning about the technical facets of >recording, vinyl, etc. Agreed. Nor do I. And never once I have seen the above folks be snotty or know it all to anyone, either. >Had I known you felt that way, I'd have solicited your take months ago! >Apologies for length, when I'm gone, it's hard to keep it succint, and I >probably should've posted privately, but perhaps it's food for thought. >sincerely, Oh, well. If people don't like it, that's why God created the delete key. Miss Tee - --- Tee & Thee Crumpets- www.bitey.com/crumpets Outta The Basement And Into The Garage!- www.bitey.com/tee > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 01:09:46 -0500 From: Don Smith Subject: collectors and heroin (not together) >Sorry to take the thread off onto another tangent, but what's with the fact >that these guys (Iggy's another that comes to mind) leave/disband/whatever >their truly great band & end up either a shadow of their former selves if >not just out & out sucking as solo artists. Something like a band being the >sum of its parts maybe??? Just a thought. coincidentally... heroin? Actually, while Peter's piece about collectors is basically right, I want to add in my own Four-Part categorization of record collectors: 1. People Who Love Music 2. People Who Love Bands 3. People Who Love One Band 4. People Who Are Insane #1 is the kind of record collector you know who listens to garage but will play you a modern rap record because of the way they combine 2 samples, is into lounge music, incorrect music, or in general is a fan of sounds- definitely listens to their records a lot. Trades tapes. #2 is the kind of person who reads the zines, buys the singles, checks out the web recommendations and goes to see live bands all the time. Their forte is definitely the next-big-thing. #3 are the beatles, elvis, jimi, led zep, springsteen collectors whose obsession never seems to cross over outside of their one band. The Beatles people are definitely the largest contingent here, eager to fork over $$ for an evening with George Martin (w/ laser show). What does Geroge Martin do onstage exactly? #4 These are the people where after meeting them, you ask yourself, why do you buy records at all? I knew a local guy who scoured the thrift shops buying all the "collectible" record in jazz, rock, country, etc and only seemed to know that he bought a $15 lp for $1. He didn't seem to know anything about music beyond his price guide. Another friend was obsessed with Mono pressings, another local guy was obsessed with stereo pressings, you know, for stereo's sake. I remember he was telling me about the different ways it "sounded" like drums were mixed in stereo and I told him he could find all this out by buying a music producers magazine. Of course most of us are a little bit of both. Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:24:15 +0100 From: Bård Hodneland Subject: Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? You're probably thinking of Bob Hund - a band (not a person) from Sweden. They're not very Bompy, but I think they're great! They sing in Swedish, sound a bit like early Pere Ubu (they even do a version of "The Final Solution" called "Et fall och en lösning"), Velvet Underground and 80's New Wave. They've released 4 LP's + a lot of EP's and mini-albums. They are big in SWeden and Norway - too big if you ask me; the last times I saw them, the place was overcrowded with moronic "oh, I'm so cool and alternative"-students. But who cares - I think they're fabulous. bård. At 11:30 24.01.00 EST, you wrote: > >Does anyone know about a performer or a band called Bob Hunt? I believe >he/it is European? > >Piles O' Smiles, >Baskerville Rob > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:50:33 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: the styrenes On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 20:11:47 -0500, "Mike Markesich" wrote: >On one hand, a Mint polystyrene 45 will sound better than a Mint vinyl 45, as vinyl is soft, and dust and other imperfections get lodged in the grooves, making for surface noise. But a used polystyrene 45 that was played to death suffers from groove distortion; the center part of the groove worn by the sapphire needles used in the old days. My experience here is: I have had mint, never-played styrene 45s sound good a few times, and then sound totally lousy, after playing them with a pretty decent cartridge on a fairly expensive turtable. I did this to some of my rarest 45s. From now on I'm gonna tape styrene records! So what cartridges/stylus types/turntables do you all like? I keep thinking I should get a much better cartridge, but then I realize I'm gonna play grungy records on it a lot. I guess I could get an extra headshell, if my overpriced turntable (Rega) HAD a removable headshell. I haven't been really happy since my old Harmon Kardon Rabco (straight tracking) turntable worked (but they all stopped working eventually). - - Jay Schwartz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:58:59 +0200 From: pekka.laine@yle.fi Subject: Re: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? YO, I suspect you're talking about Bob Hund. They're from Sweden and are really popular there. They sing in swedish and make highly original music. Pixies come to mind from some of their stuff but I'd say it's impossible to categorize their music. It definitely falls into the indie territory but that doesn't say anything about anything. I happen to be a huge fan of theirs and I'd recommend it to anybody with an openmind. Great songwriting, playing and attitude. They are trying to get their internaitonal career started and they have recorded some of their songs using the name Bergman Rock. I don't whether it 's been released or not. They have released i think 4-5 albums this far. Pekka Laine ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2000 09:18:54 +0100 From: Anders Olsson Subject: Bob Hunt/Bob Hund I think you talking about Bob Hund, a pretty cool Swedish "independent/alternative" Pixies-style band that have recorded songs like Final Solution (Pere Ubu) and Texas Serenade (Gun Club) in Swedish. In fact all their songs are in Swedish. They were about to get promoted in the states under the name Bergman Rocks, but I don't know if it ever happened. Ollie From: Rmerchandz@aol.com Subject: Bob Hunt - Does anyone know about this? Does anyone know about a performer or a band called Bob Hunt? I believe he/it is European? Piles O' Smiles, Baskerville Rob ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2000 #36 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com