From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2000 #39 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 039 It's another issue of bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or use the form at . The following subjects are included in this digest: Soledad Brothers monster8 Re: Posts To Posts... Rocky Serkowney stuff Don Smith Re: Collectors - Ever Notice? "Mike Markesich" For Grooviness: MASTERS APPRENTICES Brian Jenkins Re: Pretty Things vs Pogs PETER Re: stuff "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Re: Re:"Collectors" "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Amazing things about record collecting SWarm007@aol.com Rock 'n' Radiograms "Michael Simons" needles jschwart@voicenet.com needles, not pins Patrick Robinson Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Re: collectors and heroin (not together) "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Re: Re:"Collectors" "Tee" Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism "Tee" Re: Re:"Collectors" Olivia Warnecke Wedding tapes "Joseph Beretta" Attention deranged souls "Wings of Desire" Re: VELVETS related "Romain peutat" Re: stylus damage "Romain peutat" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:40:22 -0600 From: monster8 Subject: Soledad Brothers Hey all, I'm new to the list. I have a question. Can I get some info on the Soledad Brothers? They sound real interesting but want to know if I should spend my hard earned cash on them. Thanks. Mark cyclops zine: http://ro.com/~monster8/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:14:04 From: Rocky Serkowney Subject: Re: Posts To Posts... At 09:45 PM 1/25/00 -0500, Moptop Mike wrote: >As to collector "snobs" - I don't believe I've seen one post to that aspect >since I've been on (June '99). Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been on since January '98 and I really can't remember coming across many, if any, snob collector posts here on Bomp. There have been the occasional forays into discussions of label designs or in-the-know Bompers helping someone else with a rarity number or price question, but nothing to match the description of the put-down snobs that could intimidate someone into leaving. Guess it's all in how ya read stuff. Rocky. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:22:00 -0500 From: Don Smith Subject: stuff >yes, grave robber collectors, the same type who hoarded Ricky Nelson records 15 >years ago, only to find out the value didn't go up one cent! one really interesting thing happened when John Lennon was killed. Some people I knew went with their older brothers and sisters to the record stores and bought up every single beatles album they could find, some bought like 2 copies of these records. Why? I asked? "Do you know how valuable these are going to be? he's dead!" I remember my 12 yr old self who was into Elvis and the Doors and other late 70s dead faves really sitting back and wondering... what the hell they meant by that. >Like Monkees Lps with girls' lovestruck scrawl all over them ("Davy DAvy DAVY!"). one of my favorite paperbacks is a Man From UNCLE one where a teen girl (one imagines) drew a heart over every single occurance of the name Illya in the ENTIRE book from beginning to end. (!!) Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:27:44 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Re: Collectors - Ever Notice? >>. I actually _like_ having records which are less than mint looking (if they play OK) that reveal some of their provenance. Like Monkees Lps with girls' lovestruck scrawl all over them ("Davy DAvy DAVY!"). << Hey Frank, that reminds me of somethin' I've noticed over the years of collecting garage 45's.. Why is it that a GIRL'S name is always scrawled upon a killer garage single? My copy of the Tamrons "Wild Man" has one Marylin Lyerly blazened on the label. and I've got dozens more wild blasts embossed with the names of boss babes scrawled on the labels. This proves that the girls knew where it was at! Mop Top Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:54:14 -0500 From: Brian Jenkins Subject: For Grooviness: MASTERS APPRENTICES Hey Grooviness. If the great Metro Music in Silver Springs, MD won't do overseas, than you can get it in your own backyard. THE FREAK EMPORIUM has several Masters Apprentices releases, including "Hands Of Time." Here is the web address: http://www.delerium.co.uk/freakemp/frkmptop.html Good luck! Brian Jenkins http://expage.com/page/garagepsych (THE PSPOT) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 00 14:45:19 +1100 From: PETER Subject: Re: Pretty Things vs Pogs >I kid you not, there are collectors >out there that avoid the real movers'n'shakers (Yardbirds, Pretties, Who, >Small Faces etc) and spend small fortunes on 45s by bands who only ever >recorded one or two or three 45s. Now that is insane! >Steve There is that type, but I find the majority of record collectors (and even normal people) are the opposite. They embrace the major bands while denigrating the obscure. I once had a collector visitor who was totally into the Yardbirds, Kinks, Pretties, Them, Who etc. Fantastic, a man of taste, I thought. But as he looked through my 45s, he was baffled as to why I also had singles by bands like the Pogs, Morloch, Purple Hearts, Missing Links and so on. As far as he was concerned, these bands were cheap imitations of his chartbusting favourites. So there's snobbery on either side. I think most of us here prefer being in the position to dig raging mid-sixties R&B regardless of its chart status. - -Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:50:18 -0500 From: "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Subject: Re: stuff >one really interesting thing happened when John Lennon was killed. Some >people I knew went with their older brothers and sisters to the record >stores and bought up every single beatles album they could find, some >bought like 2 copies of these records. Why? I asked? "Do you know >how valuable these are going to be? he's dead!" I remember my 12 yr >old self who was into Elvis and the Doors and other late 70s dead faves >really sitting back and wondering... what the hell they meant by that. > Back when I worked at the vile Tower Records, we'd try to guess how long it would be after a high profile death before people started asking for their records. 3 hours in the case of Stevie Ray Vaughn. (A very cool movie was when a friend of mine was asked for a comment about SRV's death for the Daily News and he answered "probably a good career move.) We couldn't figure it out. These are widely distributed records, released on a major label, that have already been in print for years and most likely will remain so for years to come. How are they going to become valuable. You're not investing for your retirement by buying them, all you're doing is stocking your next garage sale. >>Like Monkees Lps with girls' lovestruck scrawl all over them ("Davy >DAvy DAVY!"). > >one of my favorite paperbacks is a Man From UNCLE one where a teen girl >(one imagines) drew a heart over every single occurance of the name >Illya in the ENTIRE book from beginning to end. (!!) > I have a Partridge Family album (cost me 50 cents, has one good song on it. That seems fair) that came with the lyrics to every song neatly written out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:51:32 -0500 From: "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" >> These people contribute nothing positive to the >> scene and act like they're involved a vinyl cock >> measuring contest. >> >> Just my completely unsolicitated two cents. >> >> Miss Tee > >I'm so happy to see Miss Tee is back!!!!!1 > Moi aussi. Does this mean the album is done? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:02:19 EST From: SWarm007@aol.com Subject: Amazing things about record collecting Frank writes:<< One of the amazing things about record collecting to me (and I've done it for 25 years), is the stuff that is out there that pops up which is wild as hell, that you have never heard of before. Going through the 50-cent bins, even today, can yield some weird and charming stuff>> You got that right, I'm still astounded at what turns up. I trip to my neighborhood thrift earlier this week still has my head spinning. I came across a crazy LP, it's a supermarket special budget record from Mexico called "Hanky Panky '66" and features Mexican rock and roll bands doing songs about dancing the Hanky Panky. Los Panky's (yes, with the apostrophe) do the two best numbers, a version of "Hanky Panky" that sounds like the Novas (a great, gruff voice sings "Bailamos todos hanky panky") and "Diveiertete Con Hanky Panky". It took me a couple of plays to suss out why I thought "Diveiertete Con Hanky Panky" sounded familiar. Turns out it's a cover of the Byrds "It Won't Be Wrong" with all new Spanish lyrics about dancing the Hanky Panky replacing the mushy ones the Byrds had written. There are also a few Herman's Hermits covers, a version of "You Talk Too Much" as well as versions of songs penned by Don Covay and Huey Meaux that I haven't been able to pin down yet. The back cover is a pip too, just like Crown or any other budget label it has a generic slick listing all of their other titles. Now I'm on the lookout for "Surf Con Los Peligrosos", "Cycle Psychos","Surf Con Los Tilos", "Rock Baladas Twist", "Do The Beetle" and a half dozen others on the Cisne label. Some are even in "Estereo" Scott W ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:12:58 +1300 From: "Michael Simons" Subject: Rock 'n' Radiograms Is anyone else out there into old radiograms? I'm from New Zealand, so I don't know what they're called overseas, but basically I talking 50's or 60's record players in a big wooden cabinet, valve amplifier and stack-o-matic type turntable. They're real easy to get over here, people virtually give them away. I've got several - the great thing is that even the most fucked up completely shitty looking 45's sound awesome on them. Don't cringe, but they have big heavy crystal stylis that seems to dig right through the scratches and the valve amplification - wow! You can stack up 7 or 8 45's too, which is good for parties, plus the records you're playing are so shitty it doesn't matter if people spill beer or stand on them! Cheers, Skinny Action Records www.records.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:09:11 From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: needles On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:45:33 -0500, "Mike Markesich" wrote: >if you have a worn record, and you can purchase, or have the ability to change the stylus or cartridge, you should use a conical (round) stylus. This stylus tracks the groove in the center, and doesn't pick up the distortion that an eliptical stylus would (the top and bottom of the groove). The tradeoff is flat highs (loss of treble) and a boomy sound akin to a jukebox type speaker. Of course, this is recommended if you have wrecked records, or 45's that have a bad hiss due to excessive wear or a poor pressing. Hmmm. I actually have a conical stylus, on a Shure cartridge. It sounded good for a while, but now I notice a lot of groove distortion in spite of its conical-ness...and some of these records are new, recent pressings. I didn't know that conical would play worn records better. I bought conical because it seems to me that it would track more accurately on a traditional (non-linear) tone arm. >One reason why a mint record (styrene) wears after only 5 or so spins is the fact that the cartridge must be properly aligned - placed at the proper spot on the tonearm, and counterbalanced with proportionate anti-skating. If you've got a P-mount tonearm, all you have to do is set the tracking force on the tonearm. I recommend no less than 1.5 grams of weight - 2 grams is better. Less weight on a stylus does more damage than too much weight. The cartidge was alligned pretty carefully (first by the audiophile dealer, later by me when his mounting loosened on me). But again, with conical, I'd almost think this wouldn't matter. Unless it quickly wears itself into a non-conical shape. The weight and anti-skating should be fine (and yep, it's on 2 grams). On 78s, I know there are all different SIZE styli that should be used on different kinds of records. I wonder if this also applies to microgroove records. I think expert people that do mastering off vinyl would know about this. There is surprisingly little knowledge about this stuff in the record collecting community. I asked Alan Betrock these same questions some 23 years ago, and he didn't know much about it. I regularly see people who trade in multi-hundred dollar 45s listen to them at shows on bad battery powered players. I'm not trying to find the ultimate fidelity; I just want a setup that will be kind to all kinds of records. Audio people probably know more than music people, but as was pointed out, you really have to takes some grains of salt with the wisdom doled out by audiphile showroom dealers -- the ones who sell special green markers for painting the edge of CDs, to provide a "warmer" sound, or some inexplicable audiophile brick that sits on your amplifier and absorbs bad rays or something. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:16:58 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Robinson Subject: needles, not pins i couldn't agree with you more in praise for the ortofon needle cartridges. the design allows for easy viewing of the needle placement on the records (important while d.j.ing from lp's). and the mount design of the replacable needles for the cartridge are universal. meaning you can attach a better neddle to the same cartridge. with the stanton cartridges, you are stuck with that model type for replacement needles. PATRICK g. ROBINson BURN DENVER DOWN > > Someone asked for a good cartridge: I myself sing > the praises of Ortofon - > great sound, and you can get a decent cartridge and > stylus for $50. I would > avoid Stanton - I tried various makes and models, > and the expensive ones > couldn't match lesser priced Ortofon models. __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:22:12 -0500 From: "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Subject: Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism > I have a good friend in a band who just recently turned >21. He has actually been told that he's "too young to play >garage"! As we all know, Garage is a type of music best performed with the wisdom and subtle nuances that only age can teach you. "We're the rapidly aging generation and we've got something to say." "Nothing can change the shape of things that came about 15 years ago." "That's the bag, that's the bag, that's the bag I keep my dentures in." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:26:21 -0500 From: "BlackMonk (Tom,as always)" Subject: Re: collectors and heroin (not together) > The Beatles people are definitely >the largest contingent here, eager to fork over $$ for an evening with >George Martin (w/ laser show). What does Geroge Martin do onstage >exactly? Tells stories, I hear he's got a couple of good ones. I missed that, but I saw Yoko do a question and answer session about her films a couple of weeks ago. She's got some funny stories too, but her memory's a bit shakey and it was kinda disorienting when started to sound like my mother going on about the old days. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:28:35 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:51:32 BlackMonk (Tom,as always) wrote: > > > > >>> These people contribute nothing positive to the >>> scene and act like they're involved a vinyl cock >>> measuring contest. >>> >>> Just my completely unsolicitated two cents. >>> >>> Miss Tee >> >>I'm so happy to see Miss Tee is back!!!!!1 >> >Moi aussi. Does this mean the album is done? Gee! Nice to be missed, y'all! But I'm always here lurking.....I just don't say much very often. Until I get a scotch or two or three in me, that is. The new album is done! We finished the mixing this weekend, and it's due out Apr 10. Miss Tee - --- Tee & Thee Crumpets- www.bitey.com/crumpets Outta The Basement And Into The Garage!- www.bitey.com/tee > > > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:34:28 -0800 From: "Tee" Subject: Re: "Collectors"/scenesterism On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:22:12 BlackMonk (Tom,as always) wrote: > > >> I have a good friend in a band who just recently turned >21. He has >actually been told that he's "too young to play >garage"! > >As we all know, Garage is a type of music best performed with the wisdom and >subtle nuances that only age can teach you. "We're the rapidly aging >generation and we've got something to say." "Nothing can change the shape of >things that came about 15 years ago." "That's the bag, that's the bag, >that's the bag I keep my dentures in." > You get wisdom and subtle nuances with age??? Fuck!! I want my money back! I got ripped off! Hmmm...On second thought....Guess this means I ain't old yet.. hee hee Miss Tee > > > LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Olivia Warnecke Subject: Re: Re:"Collectors" I am also very happy to see Tee. How was recording? (Or, have I missed that part of the Bomp list?) cheers! olivia - --- Andies Candies wrote: > > > > --- Tee wrote: > > These people contribute nothing positive to the > > scene and act like they're involved a vinyl cock > > measuring contest. > > > > Just my completely unsolicitated two cents. > > > > Miss Tee > > I'm so happy to see Miss Tee is back!!!!!1 > > --Andrea > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:10:02 -0800 From: "Joseph Beretta" Subject: Wedding tapes In case anyone is interested, this is what I ended up putting on the tapes for our wedding party. I started this kind of late and was working on it almost up until the ceremony, so I had to leave side D about 1/3 empty. Thanks very much for everyone who made suggestions, whether I used them or not. Joey Side A Mendelssohn's Wedding March Chapel of Love-Dixie Cups When We Get Married-1910 Fruitgum Co. The Wedding-Julie Rogers Rice is Nice-Lemon Pipers I'm Gonna Get Married-Lou Christie Peggy Sue Got Married-Buddy Holly You Never Can Tell-Chuck Berry I'm a One Woman Man-George Jones How Sweet it is (to Be Loved By You)-Marvin Gaye A Higher Power-Jonathan Richman That's How Strong My Love is-Otis Redding Top of the World-Shonen Knife Betcha By Golly, Wow-Stylistics Love You So-Ron Holden Side B More Today Than Yesterday-Spiral Starecase I Only Have Eyes For You-Flamingos What is Life-George Harrison Here, There & Everywhere-Beatles Some Kind of Wonderful-Soul Brothers Six I Walk the Line-Johnny Cash Darlin'-Beach Boys Baby I Love You-Ronettes This Will Be Our Year-Zombies As Long As I'm With You-Rubinoos Angel Baby-Rosie & the Originals This is What I Was Made For-P.F. Sloan Loving You is Sweeter Than Ever-Four Tops No Matter What-Badfinger Love Came to Me-Dion Storybook Love-Willy DeVille Side C Gettin' Together-Tommy James & the Shondells Pledging My Love-Johnny Ace I Wouldn't Change You if I Could-Ricky Skaggs This Love of Mine-Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers My Pledge of Love-Joe Jeffrey Group Ask Me Why-Beatles My Girl-Temptations My Love-Petula Clark Endlessly-Brook Benton Above and Beyond-Buck Owens Let's Stay Together-Al Green I Can Hear Music-Beach Boys You're the Best Thing-Style Council I Found a Girl-Jan & Dean You Make Me Feel Brand New-Stylistics Side D I Only Want to Be With You-Dusty Springfield It's You Alone-Wailers So Good Together-Andy Kim Till There Was You-Beatles Ring of Fire-Johnny Cash Happy-Sunshine Company My Heart Skips a Beat-Buck Owens When She Kisses Me-Jonathan Richman You're My Everything-Temptations Devoted to You-Everly Brothers Mindrocker-Fenwyck We've Only Just Begun-Carpenters Church Bells May Ring-Willows ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:17:33 GMT From: "Wings of Desire" Subject: Attention deranged souls According to the Guardian Newspaper, the show about the Las Vegas Grind is on Channel 4 at 3 a.m. GMT Friday the 28th for an hour. Its preview reads as follows: "Last Halloween weekend, thousands of deranged souls from all over the world converged on an unsuspecting sin city for a three-day bender celebrating the kind of twisted bad taste that the one-time haunt of the rat pack hadn't seen in decades. Our guide to the event - in all its go-go dancing, guitar twangin' glory - is none other than the legendary El Vez, the Mexican Elvis ("In the Barrio" etc), who dishes the dirt on Vegas' murky past before quizzing the characters behind the Grind, such as "18-strong female dance troupe" The Devilettes, and introducing a selection of live & rockin' musical footage." Paul ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:34:20 CET From: "Romain peutat" Subject: Re: VELVETS related Hi Polly Subject: Re: stylus damage