From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2000 #91 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Friday, February 25 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 091 It's another issue of bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or use the form at . The following subjects are included in this digest: Limited Edition Comps SUCK "Mike Markesich" Re: Carburetor Dung "Kip Shepherd" Re: havenots? Mongol Hordes Re: Registrators new one Scott Gardner Rip Offs CDs Re: Registrators new one Mongol Hordes Re: kick ass record stores in Chicago? Olivia Warnecke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:15:24 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Limited Edition Comps SUCK Those who posted about the high prices of limited edition comps are right on. I can offer the following observations, since I am involved in compiling and/or providing information for various garage "comps"... Although I don't buy every comp like I used to in the glory days back in the 80's, I try to keep up with all of the goings-on and releases. Limited Edition comps were common in the 80's, featuring 45's sourced from cassette tapes. Only a few were worth your hard earned bucks back then (some of note: both 'Off The Wall' comps by collector Jim Atwood, and the 'Nightmares from the Underworld' - Canadian garage set by Andre G. 'Tho volume one sounded like TOTAL shit). People were anxious to get the music out, so that the songs could be heard by the burgeoning scene. But that was the 80's. We've come a long way since that time - the garage sounds of the 60's have achieved some mainstream notoriety thanks to quality reissues by Sundazed, Norton, etc, and the Rhino Nuggets CD set. Unfortunately, many of those great garage 45's will never be available for legal reissue, so the "bootleg comps" of these singles are a necessity. But that does not mean the quality (as in Sound, not selection, as selections are a matter of personal preference), packaging, and availability should be compromised. I was approached by someone who was preparing several comps of U.S. garage groups and wanted to "hire" me to research the bands and provide some of the original 45's for mastering. I was warned by several people not to bother with this "compiler", since he failed to fill orders for his other releases. When I scanned the list of 45's scheduled for issue, I immediately realized that this person did not "own" or have access to the original 45's for the majority of the tracks. Some of these 45's came from cassette copies that I had dubbed for one fellow collector. The "compiler" became very angry when I suggested that he did not have some of these 45's, and proceeded to engage me in an e-mail "pissing' match. I told him I refused to be involved with someone who is not up front and honest - there was no way he could have some of these 45's, and would not admit his source for the material were various 3rd generation cassette copies. When I asked for label scans on a couple of 45's for proof, he dreamed up another excuse as to why he couldn't 'send them' until AFTER the comp was completed. The days are OVER for limited edition comps. The guy I mentioned above claimed to be a fan of the music - maybe he is, but why insist on shitty sound and miniscule pressings? He said he couldn't "afford" to press more copies, but would increase his output on future releases. This is just a LAME COP-OUT excuse to spend little, profit lots. Anybody who knows such will tell you: the more records you press, the cheaper the cost. Limited editions of 300 or 400 copies are the result of greed, and the desire to make the comp "out of print" before it even comes out. Comps like Project Blue (most sound like shit), Lost Generation (Volume 1 sounds great, but it was out of print before I could get it), Time Won't Change My Mind (cool sounds, flat sound quality) were likely done on a shoestring budget, but at $15 and up for one copy. In my mind, these releases are on the same level as cassette tapes. The latest Project Blue comp has a few 45's that are still around in quantity (Mixed Emotions, Saints, Freddy & The Freeloaders). I haven't heard this comp yet, but I'll bet these are the only 45's mastered from an original copy. Some other cuts came from dubs of original singles that came from me indirectly (Monarchs), while others were leaked out from unreleased tapes (Rave Ons, Aardvarks, Modds). This could've been a high quality comp if approached and executed in a respectful manner. Why do we still have to shell out $25 for some comp pressed in a quantity of 400 copies? There is no reason other than greed and laziness/lack-of-knowhow (it bugs the shit out of me when people complain about Teenage Shutdown, or Fuzz, Flakes & Shakes, but cough up a night of bar money on some shoddy comp). People responsible for these limited editions like to think they are contributing to the legacy of the music, and that they have some sort of "right" or "obligation" to compile these obscure 45's in any manner they choose. I hope most people will agree with me that the only "right" these compilers have is to do the job right, and give the music the respect it deserves by presenting a package sourced directly from the 45's, and made available via at least 1,000 copies. As for the whining excuse of "I can't afford it", well, do us all a favor and leave the comp scene to those who know what they're doing. Mop Top Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:32:30 -0600 From: "Kip Shepherd" Subject: Re: Carburetor Dung - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Smith To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 8:00 AM Subject: Carburetor Dung > > Don't bother with CDR versions, Greg Shaw and Tim Warren are releasing > them as a box set on their new label. I think the other project they've > got coming up is Jon Spencer fronting the A-bones on some Charlie > Feathers covers- a jukebox 7" series and I'm pretty sure they picked up > the rights to that oft-bootlegged Elvis in London concert. > > Don Awright!!! I'm saving my money-I ain't buying any more records till I get these! Unless I see a copy of that Bob Dylan/Bobby Vee box. Kip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mongol Hordes Subject: Re: havenots? Yep, the Havenot's are on Repent Records. Totally totally get this if you can. - --- SHBEVLON1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 02/24/2000 5:34:38 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > origasiatic@yahoo.com writes: > > > Has anyone heard of a Japanese band called the > > Havenots? I have one of the LPs (I'm at work and > can't > > recall the name of it) and it fuckin' rocks. Very > > teengenerate sounding which a much cooler lo-fi > sound. > > Yep....they kick ass! What label is that on again? > They're suppposed to be > coming out with a new single on Rip Off. > > Evan > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:47:00 -0800 From: Scott Gardner Subject: Re: Registrators new one >Yeah, this album kicks ass! The album version is so >much more cooler looking than the cd! I guess I could >write something up? Who knows, but its quite a bit >different than the 1st LP. I agree.. a great new sound (at times a hint of pop) for the Registrators...definitely a new sound for Rip Off. Beautiful packaging for the LP, though I'm pissed that the CD has an extra track. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mongol Hordes Subject: Rip Offs CDs Re: Registrators new one So do all the CD versions of Rip Off records have extra tracks? I know the Zodiac Killers has an extra track... I think the album kicks ass but I refuse to by a CD if it comes out on vinyl. Is there an MP3 kicking around? - --- Scott Gardner wrote: > > packaging for the LP, though I'm pissed that the CD > has an extra > track. > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:29:40 -0800 (PST) From: Olivia Warnecke Subject: Re: kick ass record stores in Chicago? hmmm....I can only wonder. - -olivia - --- Neil Motteram wrote: > > You dont work for a certain Chicago based consulting > company with an > office in San Francisco do you? > > Mongol Hordes wrote: > > > I'm going on a business trip to Chicago next week > > (fuck, can't believe I have a job that would do > > something like that - but I assure you I am not a > > suit) and am wondering what cool record stores > exist > > out there? I'll probably have a day or two to hang > out > > and will be somewhere near the El. > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2000 #91 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com