From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2001 #8 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Thursday, January 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 008 This the digest version of the Bomp list. ***HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE:*** Send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or go to . Here's what people are yacking about in this digest: Re: Nuggets from the Golden State CD series Euphorik6@aol.com Aussie comps Craig Regan Re: Sorrow in C major...stereo & mono mixes...rainbow ffolly Euphorik6@aol.com RE: chain stores Rocky Serkowney Re: zombie heaven Euphorik6@aol.com cubbyholes, was Re: Sorrow in C major "Blair" Re: zombie heaven Rocky Serkowney RE: chain stores Moparlary@aol.com RE: labels/genres/etc Alan Wright Labels, Categories, Pigeonholes Sknoof@aol.com Maundy Maundy "Jeffrey Lemlich" Re: Oz/NZ punk "Mike Markesich" Nuggets From Golden State "Mike Dugo" Re: bomp-digest V2001 #7 TwigYoungLions@aol.com where's my soapbox at? HOODOO3005@aol.com Re:Half Assed Condolences Nancyneon01@aol.com Re: #7 HOODOO3005@aol.com Re: Sorrow in C major "Linda" Mooney Suzuki in DC? "Linda" Re:NZ and Aussie stuff JS Freakbeat gear for sale (1/3 update! more stuff added!) apollojams Re: Super Unexpected Coolness Jason Mata Re: Sorrow in C major "Raymond Tucker" Re: Muzak categories Re: Sorrow in C major Re: Sorrow in C major re:chain stores Transistorsmash@aol.com Melbourne "Gilbert, Mark (SLSA)" Re: Chain Stores colorcoat@home.com Re: Chain Stores Rat Pfink ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:11:33 EST From: Euphorik6@aol.com Subject: Re: Nuggets from the Golden State CD series In a message dated 1/3/01 4:37:18 PM, vict_66@hotmail.com writes: << Does anyone know of a website that has information about what has been released on the Nuggets from the Golden State CD series? Any info would be appreciated. >> try the ace records site at http://www.acerecords.co.uk and follow the links to their "big beat" page, last time i checked out the site, i believe they had a complete listing of all the discs in the series. rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:13:17 +1100 From: Craig Regan Subject: Aussie comps on 3/1/01 9:01 PM, bomp-digest at owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com wrote: > > If you can track down the CD of "Ugly Things" (sort of a best of), you > won't be sorry. Ditto for the first volume of the NZ-focused "Wild Things" > CD. Try www.whammo.com.au They had just about all of these in stock, last time I was in the bricks and mortar store (so ignore the online catalogue and ask direct). The I-94 Bar: Sydney Rock Action via The Bowery and Motor City http://www.i94bar.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:20:56 EST From: Euphorik6@aol.com Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major...stereo & mono mixes...rainbow ffolly In a message dated 1/3/01 2:44:44 PM, astroboy@triad.rr.com writes: << Speaking of SF Sorrow, why was the Snapper reissue cd done in mono? >> i think that the mono mix is actually the mix preferred by phil may, dick taylor & the rest of the band. i had the old SBV (?) german disc for years, w/ the stereo mix, and hearing the mono version was pretty wild - really like hearing the record for the first time, much like the mono sgt pepper. i actually prefer the mono mix of sf sorrow, but i kept the stereo disc as well. the mono just seems to hold together more for me, it has more of a pulse...there is too much "air" in the stereo for my taste, IMO. although i do miss the channel-bouncing stereo effects in "balloon burning." not really related at all, but the coolest psych stereo panning i have ever heard is on "the rainbow ffolly sallies forth" - between two songs there is a little bit of two people playing ping-pong, and the ball bounces from speaker to speaker. anybody else dig this record?? that's one of my very favorite CDs picked up last year. rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:14:08 From: Rocky Serkowney Subject: RE: chain stores At 10:52 AM 1/3/01 -0800, you wrote: >Plus, the chains have those cute teenage girls working >at them, But do they go for guys with canes? (very inside joke). Rocky. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:30:38 EST From: Euphorik6@aol.com Subject: Re: zombie heaven i love their take on "the look of love" on the BBC disc - that is totally worth the price of the set on its OWN. other stuff i dig on there: "smokey day" and "she loves the way they love her" which kick the ass of the blunstone solo versions on "one year" - the demo "out of the day," - the b-side version of "i'll call you mine" (not the overdubbed 68 version!)... & how in the world was "whenever you're ready" not a hit? that is my all-time number-one nominee in the "songs that deserved to be a hit but weren't" category. what a song! this is definitely one of my favorite box sets ever. i actually lucked into mine through a friend who was working at borders at the time - they were having a sale on box sets & she got her employee discount on top of it, so i wound up paying her i think 35 bucks or so for it! what a deal. definitely a desert island record for me. the sound is just amazing - especially the mono single mixes, many of which totally transformed the songs from what i knew before (especially "leave me be" and "i want you back again") - though i disagree w/ the band, i like the stereo version of "goin out of my head" a lot better, you can hear the harmonies so much better. & chris white was one the most underrated bass players of the sixties. jeez, don't get me going on the zombies. whatta band. rob ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2001 18:31:51 -0500 From: "Blair" Subject: cubbyholes, was Re: Sorrow in C major >I think, though, that one of the major objections for those of us who are >exasperated with the excessive proliferation of labels is that it's reaching >a point where it makes communication more difficult, if not ridiculous, >rather than simplifying things. I see Lenny's (well-made) point. Of course, it's a matter of knowing your audience/venue. In the context of this list, calling something "rock and roll" probably just isn't enough. On the other hand, the distinction between The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, and The Kinks will likely be lost on my grandmothers (one of whom will be given sainthood simply for sitting through "The Kids Are Alright" with me in a crowded movie theatre in Queens, NY one rainy summer afternoon when I was 12-13; the other of whom shall be sainted for her incredible Italian cooking. But I digress. ) This works for reading as well as writing. In a venue such as Bomp list, I fully expect someone describing a band to give me some sort of reference points, be it in the form of a genre-label or like-minded bands. Having them simply say, "They sound '60s'" or "They're punk" isn't enough (for me) at this point. I'm likely to say "What sort of 60s sound do they have?" or "Aggressive punk, hardcore, poppy...?" I agree, things have been broken down pretty far at this point. But in the case of, say, Acid House and Trip-Hop, well... I've never been interested in those forms (although perhaps I just haven't heard the right bits yet... That *is* possible.) Still, to someone who loves that kind of thing, those distinctions may mean quite a bit. As to "Garage" vs. "Garage", well... Again, it comes down to venue. Anyone writing in a venue such as Bomp list (or Ugly Things, Noises From The Garage, multiball, MicroMag, the I-94 Bar, alt.music.banana-truffle), etc. will probably be talking about garage *rock* of some sort. The fact that the audience understands that means that the writers can go further in their descriptions. Would anyone here truly say The Oblivians sound like Richard & the Young Lions? And yet people have called both garage. It *is* possible that someone will stumble across a venue talking about (what is to them) the "wrong" type of garage. Personally, I'd say they'll figure it out pretty quickly. Just some thoughts, Blair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:35:12 From: Rocky Serkowney Subject: Re: zombie heaven At 01:58 PM 1/3/01 +0000, you wrote: As for the TV show...well, I think it was getting out of hand with everyone wanting to be such n' such a character - too many subplots and cameos. The suits have decided either we go with the variety format or re-jig the situation so that you and Highland Ken are foreign agents whose plans are continually thwarted by a gigantic talking moose and Rocky. Sounds like a winner! But could we also get Dee a role as the historical researcher using the Way-Back machine (sorry Kopper)? A G. Ward production. El Squirrello. P.S. Zombie Heaven rules! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:40:10 EST From: Moparlary@aol.com Subject: RE: chain stores Only if they're John Steed or a very rabid Fleshtones fan..... In a message dated Wed, 3 Jan 2001 6:31:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, Rocky Serkowney writes: << At 10:52 AM 1/3/01 -0800, you wrote: >Plus, the chains have those cute teenage girls working >at them, But do they go for guys with canes? (very inside joke). Rocky. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:46:54 -0800 From: Alan Wright Subject: RE: labels/genres/etc Said in the scientist guy's voice on the Simpsons: "I will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt by purely scientific means where certain genres of music fit into the garage specturm using my new garage-o-tone device which will determine where these bands belong genre-wise. Submit your band names to me and my machine will figure it out." Dr. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:54:02 EST From: Sknoof@aol.com Subject: Labels, Categories, Pigeonholes Rat Pfink pthinks: << Unless I'm starting to go senile I seem to remember that back in the late '70s the record labels were actually marketing stuff like Tom Petty and Dire Straits as "new wave"...>> Ugh, you've opened an old wound. Right on the money, there. Those were my previously-noted record-store-workin' days. Petty and Dire Straits were the two best examples of that phenomenon, without a doubt. The label reps would come in, happy as clams that we had a "New Wave" section.......well, I HAD to call it that, that was the only way they'd let me put it in........and the guy from MCA would look behind the "Penetration" LPs, NOT find Tom Petty, and start to snivel. I hate snivelling. I would remark pointedly that, whether you were a Tom Petty fan or not (I was....back then) it was beyond a doubt that if you really felt the need to market Tom Petty as "New Wave" an awful lot of people would be happy to stand in line to kick your stupid spotty ass, and right in the front of the line would be Tom himself. (I would have deferred, and relinquished my spot in line to him. STILL would.) Dire Straits? God, don't get me started. I have NEVER understood this guy's popularity. I don't like to flame music that other people enjoy........but I'm happy to make an exception here. But again, whether you're a fan or not, funny thing about THIS one is: just like with The Cars, a year earlier, this album hit the streets--amid WILD critical acclaim--and there was NO WAY TO HEAR IT unless you bought it. It didn't show up on the radio in NY at ALL. Seems hard to believe in this day and age, but absolutely true. I'm quite sure that this record ended up in those "New Wave" bins solely on the strength of the back-cover photo of Pick Withers and his Rotted English Teeth. Seriously. "Duhhh.... dis belongs in da PUNK section." It took literally a couple of months before ANYBODY heard this record, and then all of a sudden it was EVERYWHERE, like a big stinking fungus. But for those first two months, all of us too-cool Record Store Guys were asking each other "Have you heard this? What IS it?"...."No, I haven't, I was gonna ask YOU......." Finally somebody opened it up and stuck it on the turntable, and good LORD were we angry. STILL angry. Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:03:30 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Lemlich" Subject: Maundy Maundy Dinos wrote: <> Now that would be a treat -- hearing the "Grim Reaper" gang tear into this moody Maundy Quintet tune! Lemlich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:31:02 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Re: Oz/NZ punk >Couldn't have put it better myself - of course, grammar has never been my strong point. I've said before on this list that Ugly Things #1 (issued in 1980, before some of you kids were born) is the best ever '60s punk comp. And none dared argue. - - -Peter M Peter, doncha know there's no such thing as 60's punk? And when is Mr. Schmoe coming out of retirement for another comp? MopTop Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:44:23 -0600 From: "Mike Dugo" Subject: Nuggets From Golden State >>Does anyone know of a website that has information about what has >>been released on the Nuggets from the Golden State CD series? >>Any info would be appreciated. http://www.acerecords.com should help you out... Mike Dugo Staff Writer U.S. '60's Garage Band Columnist Lance Monthly http://www.lancerecords.com _________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:31:19 EST From: TwigYoungLions@aol.com Subject: Re: bomp-digest V2001 #7 RE : Zombie Heaven....perfect title..what a body of work.........Leave Me Be? ask Richard..he loves that one.....TWIG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:39:07 EST From: HOODOO3005@aol.com Subject: where's my soapbox at? In a message dated 1/3/01 5:36:54 PM Central Standard Time, owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com writes: << Most music categories are usually marketing bullshit rather than actually being based on similarities in the music itself. Unless I'm starting to go senile I seem to remember that back in the late '70s the record labels were actually marketing stuff like Tom Petty and Dire Straits as "new wave"... >> CONTEXT, people, CONTEXT. I'm not defending Tom Petty or Dire Straits, but think of the non-punk, non-disco acts popular back then! Arena rock was still with us, and laid-back pop-rock (Pablo Cruise, Little River Band, Doobies, etc.) was still a presence. Next to all this, no wonder Dire Straits and Tom Petty were branded "new wave!" Unlike Frampton, Foghat and the rest, they kept the songs short and to the point (yeah, I know Dire Straits later did an album or two of longish songs, but that was a few years away). Unlike the Doobies-type soft rockers, they were far more energetic. So, Dire Straits new wave? In 2001, not quite. But for 1979, definitely. And Johnny Thunders' Heartbreakers more "punk" than Tom Petty's band of the same name? You're right, I won't argue. But there was a period there in the late seventies when they were both considered on the same side of the line. (Remember, I said, "considered." And this post is so you understand why.) Besides, how could British bands like ABC ape disco outright and still call it new wave? I'll accept Tom Petty quicker than that... James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:47:20 EST From: Nancyneon01@aol.com Subject: Re:Half Assed Condolences What's with the half assed condolences?! Who would like to receive a sym-pathy card that was signed "I know you have your flaws,but sorry your _____(fill in the blank)died"?! And this death pool stuff is just cruel. Why slam Conolly who has given so much to the music scene? To the detractors,tell us,have YOU done anything great?!--Nancy Neon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:52:27 EST From: HOODOO3005@aol.com Subject: Re: #7 In a message dated 1/3/01 5:36:54 PM Central Standard Time, owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com writes: << Northern Soul (which doesn't reflect the region the music came from, but rather a small chunk of England where a hodge podge of songs from wherever happen to be popular)>> Why do pseudo-mods in America continue to use this term? Once you get to the States, it doesn't make a lick of sense!! Even worse, some folks think its a synonym for soul in general!!! << freakbeat (do we really need subcategories of garage--ummm, 60's garage that is), >> thank you, I'm waiting for the terms "freakbeat" and "krautrock" to die a hasty death. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:57:08 +0000 From: "Linda" Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major There's nothing inherently wrong with classification - hell, I'm a librarian by training. But I despise the excessive classification of music. There are just way too many music descriptors. I believe that music critics come up with this stuff up so they have something to write about when they get bored. And it's a ball of confusion. Example: garage music also is a sub-genre of hip-hop! As Lenny pointed out, if the meaning isn't clear, then is the idea being communicated? Saying something is "Bomp-worthy" is description enough for me. Of course, that won't work for much of the world, so when I'm trying to describe music to a non-Bomper, I usually say something along the lines of "if you like such-and-such, then you'll like this". Or, "it kinda sounds like so-and-so". And then say something about who the musicians are, etc. That usually gets the point across without trying to deal with nonsensical labels. - -Linda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:03:23 +0000 From: "Linda" Subject: Mooney Suzuki in DC? Can anyone confirm the rumor that the Mooney Suzuki are playing in DC this coming Saturday? I thought they broke up? - -Linda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:23:09 +0930 From: JS Freakbeat Subject: Re:NZ and Aussie stuff Its interesting reading about peoples different veiws on the different compilations of australian garage stuff and all that. And yes i agree that it is the best stuff in the world, and as well as having a garage and feakbeat sound, alot of it also has that australian surf sound about it- most noticable on many of the songs on the Devil's Children comp. My favourite Australian bands from then are the Throb and the Decoys. Also, can anyone tell me why alot of 60s american bands always had their hair parted to one side, where as english ones didn't? Hmmm, whatever JS Freakbeat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:13:43 -0800 From: apollojams Subject: gear for sale (1/3 update! more stuff added!) (Hey everyone. Thanx for letting me post this list of stuff. Am trying to help a friend out, so please write HIM, not me, if you have any questions. Thanx!) - -g! - -------------------------- FOR SALE: Items offered at price listed or best reasonable offer. Mail order? No problem! :) -------------- Vintage pedals: Super Cry Baby wah wah pedal, mid 70's. 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Two seconds of delay. 15k bandwidth! $100.00 Ibanez Digital Flanger. $75.00 ------------ Misc.: Korg D-8 8-track digital recorder. $450.00 Mesa Boogie 2x12 cabinet Celestion/EV speakers 4ohms $275.00 Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier head w/ATA road case $650.00 Anvil ATA Road Case for 3 Marshall heads, w/wheels. $200.00 ============= Buyer pays shipping, your preference of usps delivery. Or if local, we can transact face to face. Pay by: Paypal (visa/MC)/money order/cashiers check, OR CASH, BABY! Contact me for details before ordering (ie. i have a separate paypal username, etc.) Seller: JEFF FOGERTY E-mail: fogadelic@netscape.net Location: BERKELEY, CA Post Date: 1/3/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Mata Subject: Re: Super Unexpected Coolness - --- Lenny Smith wrote: > How long was the sample--a couple of > seconds, or more substantial? The sample goes on for at least the first minute of the song, except for the first 5 or so seconds. > How was this record overall, by the way? Worth a > listen besides the > coolness in question? Yeah, it's worth a listen, but I don't know if it is worth the money (only 15 bucks or so). There is some really good stuff (tight beats, and good rhymes) but it is called Deltron 3030 cause it's supposed to be in the year 3030, so there's all kinds of weird sound effects like star wars or star trek would have, and Del samples a lot of his own songs from 'No Need For Alarm', but still some really good tracks... - -Jason Mata __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:01:19 -0500 From: "Raymond Tucker" Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major "Bomp-worthy"? Me like!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major > > There's nothing inherently wrong with classification - hell, I'm a librarian by > training. But I despise the excessive classification of music. There > are just way too many music descriptors. I believe that music critics > come up with this stuff up so they have something to write about when they get > bored. And it's a ball of confusion. Example: garage music also is a > sub-genre of hip-hop! As Lenny pointed out, if the meaning isn't clear, > then is the idea being communicated? > > Saying something is "Bomp-worthy" is description enough > for me. Of course, that won't work for much of the world, so > when I'm trying to describe music to a non-Bomper, I usually say > something along the lines of "if you like such-and-such, then you'll > like this". Or, "it kinda sounds like so-and-so". And then say something > about who the musicians are, etc. That usually gets the point across > without trying to deal with nonsensical labels. > > -Linda > > ===> To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp" to majordomo@xnet2.com <=== > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 01 15:40:07 +1100 From: Subject: Re: Muzak categories PM: >> Incidentally, there's nothing wrong with categorising various types of >> music - it happens in all other fields of art and science. Blackmonk: >Music isn't science, and 90% of the labels are subjective so they don't have >the meaning they would in science. And the various labels in pop/rock go WAY >beyond what's done in other arts. Science isn't all black & white either, except for mathematics. Fields like zoology, paleontology, psychology, and anthropology (which encompasses music, incidentally) all have heavy doses of conjecture and debatable theories associated with them. - PM PM: >Labelling >> things is how we understand the world around us; giving names to ideas, Blackmonk: >Once you have the idea, what is it important to give it a name? So you can communicate that idea to others without having to describe it in a hundred words. It also accelerates the thought process if a hundred words can be condensed to a single name. - PM PM: >> or species of animals, etc. Jeesuss! Blackmonk: >An animal is definitely in a species or it isn't. How many records are >definitely garage, as opposed to punk, or rock, or freakbeat, or pop, or >oldies? Aren't these all just "species" of music? And doesn't garage (for example) have "subspecies" like "raving punk" and "moody ballad"? I acknowledge that music has been inanely overcategorised in recent decades, but that's only so the bozos in the recording industry can make incessantly regurgitated styles seem new and trendy to the unwitting and ignorant. - -Peter M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 01 15:42:27 +1100 From: Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major >From: Rat Pfink >Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major > >Most music categories are usually marketing bullshit >rather than actually being based on similarities in >the music itself. > >Unless I'm starting to go senile I seem to remember that >back in the late '70s the record labels were actually >marketing stuff like Tom Petty and Dire Straits as >"new wave"... I'm glad you realise that's bullshit - just as I would know it's bullshit if someone told me the platypus was a reptile. - -Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 01 15:52:28 +1100 From: Subject: Re: Sorrow in C major BlackMonk: > How many records are >> definitely garage, as opposed to punk, or rock, or >> freakbeat, or pop, or oldies? Iam Fuzzco: >So we just call it all "music" whether it's Beethoven >or Backstreet Boys? Dave Brubek or the Dead Boys? >Esquerita or Esqueviel? Thank you. Ever done a search on eBay just by looking through the "recorded music: 45s" section? Good thing they have, you'll pardon the expression, "categories". - -Peter M ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:49:15 EST From: Transistorsmash@aol.com Subject: re:chain stores The Indie store I work at has to "forever teenage" guys as well as the cute teenage girls. Best of both worlds I guess. DALE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:43:57 +1030 From: "Gilbert, Mark (SLSA)" Subject: Melbourne Is there anyone from Melbourne Australia that can give me some info on shops (records/clothes) that would be worth visiting in that fair city? And what interesting gigs may be on later in February? Mark Hope someone can help! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:28:37 -0700 From: colorcoat@home.com Subject: Re: Chain Stores The other day on my lunch hour, I drove over to Virgin Records to check if they had replaced their Christmas CDs with their clearance cut-outs. (I have had good luck finding imports and cut-outs in January--when chain stores want to get rid of "fringe inventory" and generate any type of sales.) The only thing interesting in the clearance rack was the Flamin' Groovies' "Live 68/70." I passed on it being that it was still $9.00 and I prefer the later (post-Loney) Groovies. In the remaining time, I went over to the main pop/rock section to see if they had Big Beat's new Nightcrawlers collection by some chance. (I was thinking that a British chain might potentially offer recordings from an English label like Ace/Big Beat.) The only thing I found was a bunch of Night Ranger. However, I was surprised to find Bomp's Nikki & the Corvettes nearby. Virgin was selling the Nikki & the Corvettes disc for $17! (You could just go 3 miles up the street and get the Nikki & the Corvettes disc for $12 at the "indie record store" (Eastside) or mail order to Bomp for $10.) Now the "Average Jeff" is not going to buy a Nikki & the Corvettes disc (nor go beyond convenience and corporate consumerism to save money & support non-chains), but he is going to buy a majority of his discs (RedHotPearlJamKidKornBisquit182) for over $15 at Best Buy, Tower, Borders, Circuit City (when he can't find them momentarily on sale at K mart, Target, and/or Wal-Mart). The bottom line is that while chain domestic cd prices have crept back over the $15 mark, indie record stores (who sometimes carry some token mainstream dreck) continue to stay in the fair $11-$14 range for new domestic CDs. Ted L. - ---Rat Prink wrote: > > It just doesn't pay for the Average Joe with > > mainstream > > tastes to shop at indie stores. Indies usually pay > > more for > > new releases than the big chains charge retail, > > because > > of steep volume discounts. The indies simply can't > > compete > > on price alone. - --- Iam Fuzzco wrote: > Chain stores are great for other types bargains, too. > I picked up a two video tape set of "The Man With > Golden Arm" and "Suddenly" at a Record Town/Sam Goody > or some such store, for $10. An Indie store would > know that these were great movies, and would: > > A) Charge more for the set > B) Split it open and sell'em individually. > > During a recent pick through the cheep bin at another > mall store I snagged a Christmas CD with The > Cartwrights (of Bonanza fame) singing a Christmas > song and a three cd set of The Rat Pack live, Frank & > Dean songs and Sinatra with other singers (NOT Duets!) > all really cheap too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:34:43 -0500 From: Rat Pfink Subject: Re: Chain Stores I find this hard to believe. The small indies that I'm familiar with here (East Coast) actually *pay* $12-13 per disc to their distributors for new major-label popular crap. If they want to actually make a profit, they have to charge around $15/disc. At 01:28 AM 1/4/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Now the "Average Jeff" is not going to buy >a Nikki & the Corvettes disc (nor go beyond convenience and corporate >consumerism to save money & support non-chains), but he is going to buy >a majority of his discs (RedHotPearlJamKidKornBisquit182) for over $15 >at Best Buy, Tower, Borders, Circuit City (when he can't find them >momentarily on sale at K mart, Target, and/or Wal-Mart). The bottom >line is that while chain domestic cd prices have crept back over the $15 >mark, indie record stores (who sometimes carry some token mainstream >dreck) continue to stay in the fair $11-$14 range for new domestic >CDs. > >Ted L. - ----------------------------------- | Rat Pfink ratpfink@akamail.com | - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2001 #8 *************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com