From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2001 #79 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Thursday, February 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 079 This is the digest version of the Bomp list. ***HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE:*** Send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or go to . Here's what people are yacking about in this digest: Re: Back From The Grave/moral high ground? SHBEVLON1@aol.com CCR and the KKK "Mark Ertmer" Re: Shake Some Action "tiemen kuipers" RE: pubic folder Alan Wright Re: Re: Back / Grave:moral high ground? An Editorial "Mike Markesich" Land of the Lost tomorrow "Lenny Smith" Re: Rebecca & the Sunnybrook Farmers Sknoof@aol.com Down 'N Outs Head West "Chris Hedlund" Lava lamps.... Brendan Lepschi Re: Dust HOODOO3005@aol.com Re: CCR and the KKK Jason Mata Re: Shake Some Action Rick McCullough Re: Teenage Shutdown "Laurent Bigot" Re: Un-Covered, in more ways than one MaximumMarshak@cs.com Re: BFTG/TS Jan.Roerhorst@prismant.nl February 8 Jan.Roerhorst@prismant.nl Re: TIM WARREN RESPONDS TO MISINFORMATION! "Roberto Feruglio" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:37:11 EST From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com Subject: Re: Back From The Grave/moral high ground? In a message dated 2/7/01 7:24:03 AM Central Standard Time, elvissinatra@yahoo.com writes: > So instead, I think people should makes mixes > Well said! Evan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 16:21:02 -0600 From: "Mark Ertmer" Subject: CCR and the KKK I heard that some of the guys in Creedence Clearwater Revival used to be kinda high up in the KKK or some shit. Does anybody know if there's any truth to this rumor? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 01:16:21 From: "tiemen kuipers" Subject: Re: Shake Some Action I've got the English Sire single of "Shake Some Action" b/w "Teenage Confidential", and it is a totally different version than the one on the album...even though the single says- from the album "shake some action" 9103 251- right on it. Anyway, the single version has different instrumentation and a slightly different vocal arrangement with an entirely diiferent sounding mix...it's missing all the little things that make "Shake Some Action" the perfect song it is. It's too bad that British radio chooses to play the single version...If I'd heard that version first, instead of the album version, I might not have been prompted into going out and buying all the rest of the Groovies records. Anybody else have comments on the two different versions? - -DV >From: Boldface >Reply-To: bomp@xnet2.com >To: bomp@xnet2.com >Subject: Shake Some Action >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 14:22:12 +0000 > > > >I always though that "Shake Some Action" (Album version) > >was a perfect song > >I've not got the album, just the single (which is the version that's often >played on the radio here - BBC London Live). So what's the difference >between the two versions? Cheers. -- PJ > > > >===> To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp" to majordomo@xnet2.com <=== > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:35:13 -0800 From: Alan Wright Subject: RE: pubic folder << do you have a pubic folder set-up? >> i nominate myself for 'typo of the week!' i meant to write 'public' lee sound views > I wanna know more about this pubic folder! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:37:54 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Re: Re: Back / Grave:moral high ground? An Editorial I've missed most of this topic but I think I can clear up based on looking at the archives. I posted something to the Yahoo list Nuggets and pebbles, because someone complained that the Teenage Shutdowns are not all out killer garage like the Back From The Grave comps. Said person (can't recall who he was/is) wanted to know which TS were worthy of getting since the Teen Jangler Blowout comp was "disappointing" in his view. I responded that to expect another comp of "unknown" (45's that have not appeared on any comp) garage singles that are the caliber of "I Said Move" by the Aztex, and the Keggs is nearly impossible. If that is said person's understanding of "garage", then he is missing the boat. I do not speak for Tim, but I'm sure he'd tell you that trying to keep up the high standards that everyone expects of a new "Grave" edition would be impossibly tough. Tim does have high standards, and I can tell you that there are not enough "paint-peeling" uncompiled garage 45's out there to make a solid volume. At least not yet. My post to the other list does have a glaring mistake, I noted that Tim did not own all of the 45's which were comped on Grave volume 8, but it reads like he (Tim) didn't have all of the singles which appeared on Vol 1 to 7, which is incorrect. Tim was the only one who owned copies of 90% of those 45's at that time, before people began tracking down the groups. One asshole collector even contacted one of the bands on a Grave comp, using Tim and supposed unpaid royalties to get original 45's of the group, then turn around and sell them for 20 times the price paid. It's really a moot point anyway. The reason Vol 8 was so long in coming was trying to unearth 45's that would hold up to Grave standards. I gladly agreed to loan some of my 45's for the comp, as did a few others. And I heard that some people thought Volume 8 was pretty weak, or the worst one since it did not equal the caliber of the early volumes. The point here is that said person on the Yahoo list felt that TS and other recent comps were not "satisfying" to his ears. He wants EVERY cut to be a killer. Sad to say, this seems to be a common statement when I read reviews on TS or other comps. As someone who has been around the block in garagedom, I think fans back in the 80's were a LOT more appreciative of the music. Nowadays, it seems people complain that something isn't to their liking ("I don't like the moody stuff"..."That song came out on a comp 10 years ago..."). It is the younger/newer fans of garage who do not appreciate a wider spectrum of sounds, and it is their loss. Which brings me to another point - home-made CD's of garage 45's. And MP 3's of garage songs. I feel the music deserves respect, and to merely copy something without doing a proper transfer (most people have low-end turntables and audio equipment, making for some truly horrendous sounding comps) is worthless. Anybody who thinks an MP3 of a garage song sounds "great" is full of shit. Sure, some comps are overpriced and shoddy, but most are affordable. If you can't afford to buy a few comps when they come out, and you want them, budget your money. Don't spend it on booze (seems everybody has money they don't have when it comes to that). Get another job for extra money. If you want something bad enough, figure out how to pay for it. I've contributed a lot of my own efforts to others who create comps, but I'm getting a tired of the constant barrage of requests, and getting practically nothing in return. For instance, if you are gonna set up a website, and wanted label scans or band pics, you should go try and get them yourself. Or if you're gonna write an article about a group/artist, you should go research the information yourself. If you don't know how to get the info, learn how to research, or do something else. The same thing with comps. If you don't have the records, why do a comp? There seems to be an abundance of people out there who expect something from somebody else's hard work and give nothing in return. It really pisses me off that there are people out there who want everything for free, because "they can't afford a comp" or how they can be critical of those who go out of their way to provide 45's to garage fans everywhere. Even though I know most garage fans are happy to hear "new" things, no matter what style. At least I hope so. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:29:55 -0500 From: "Lenny Smith" Subject: Land of the Lost tomorrow I'll be joining my friend and DJ Jim Rand on www.wmpg.org tomorrow, spinning tunes with him from 3-5 pm EST. Had a great time last time we did this, and got a few e-mail requests from Bompland, too! So if yer by yer computer, feel free to fire it up and give a listen (ya can send requests (remember, what's on hand can be a bit hit or miss--we'll have some great stuff ta spin, but exactly what ya never know), comments or a simple Howdyado, should ya so desire, to djrequest@wmpg.org ). Lenny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:49:15 EST From: Sknoof@aol.com Subject: Re: Rebecca & the Sunnybrook Farmers Wow! Maureen! Holy shit!!! << But the next time I saw them a year later they were heading a show with Rebecca and the Sunnybrook Farmers ( anyone remember them ? ) , >> Wow, do I ever. "Mama goes gaga, daddy goes gaga, brother goes gaga, baby says 'What do you think about the WAAAAARRRRRRR???'" Now THAT'S a lyric. But did you know that the girl singing that--Ilene Rappaport of Pittsburgh, PA--later morphed into "Chunky" and much later into "Lauren Wood"? In fact, all three members of "Chunky, Novi, and Ernie" were in the Sunnybrook Farmers. (Ilene Novog and Ernie Eremita.) "Lauren" doesn't talk about her past much. I "cornered" her, on her website, about a year ago and she was happy to reminisce a little bit. It does seem to bug her a bit, though, that people from all over the world constantly harangue her for Zappa anecdotes, just on the strength of the fact that she sang backup on ONE song on ONE Zappa album in the early 70s. Thanks for jiggling my brain cells! Mike F. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:07:32 -0700 From: "Chris Hedlund" Subject: Down 'N Outs Head West The Down 'N Outs head over the rockies and into Los Angeles on Friday, Feb. 16th for a set at Al's Bar. www.alsbar.net On the way home, The Down 'N Outs will stop in Las Vegas on Saturday, Feb. 17th. We are playing for the "Heaven or Las Vegas" Scooter Rally at Favorites. Check out: www.ScooterAce.com See you there! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 16:33:13 +1100 From: Brendan Lepschi Subject: Lava lamps.... Not musical, but still Bomp-worthy.... From The Onion (website below) > >********************************************************* > > > >http://www.onion.com/onion3704/lava_lamps_retro.html > >Lava Lamps Revert from Passe Retro Kitsch back to Novel Retro Camp > >WASHINGTON, DC--Lava lamps, the once-popular, then passé, then popular again, then passé again novelty items that have cyclically taken various American subcultures by storm throughout their 35-year history, are back. > > According to a report issued Monday by the U.S. Department of Retro, the status of the multi-colored, mildly psychedelic light fixtures changed again in 2000, reverting from a tired form of passé retro kitsch back into a novel form of retro camp. The switch marks the 17th time the government has changed the lava lamp's retro classification since its initial resurgence in 1976 as an amusing, campy throwback to the then-outmoded '60s hippie drug culture. > > "Lava lamps, which throughout the late '90s were seen as an irrelevant remnant of a relatively minor mid-'90s form of '60s retro, are once again retro in an exciting new way for millions of Americans unfamiliar with their previous kitsch-object incarnations," U.S. Retro Secretary Brian Setzer said. "That fallow period of the late '90s laid the groundwork for a revival within a subset of retro consumer for whom the novelty factor of floating bulbs of wax suspended in water and lit from below had not yet worn off." > > Setzer--who made his name in the '80s playing retro '50s rockabilly with The Stray Cats and subsequently enjoyed a comeback in the '90s, both for playing '40s big-band music with the Brian Setzer Orchestra during the retro swing revival and as the subject of retro appreciation himself during a concurrent '80s retro wave--praised the pop-cultural tenacity of the lava lamp. > > "One of the few pop-culture fads to weather a significant number of lame-then-cool-again changes in the fickle American retro landscape, the lava lamp has proven itself the rare retro phenomenon that will not die," Setzer said. "Whether this is good or bad, or what it even says about our society, is largely unknowable." > > As noted in the Retro Department report, the popularity of lava lamps at any one moment is difficult to gauge due to their varying status within different subcultures. As a result, the lamps often simultaneously occupy many different points along the retro-cycle curve, causing confusion among retro cognoscenti. For example, in 1998, computer dweebs considered the lamps "CyberKewl," while swing-dancing hipsters dismissed them as "lame-a-roony-toony." > > Further complicating matters are the complex meta-retro aesthetics of pop-culture-obsessed Generation Xers for whom the lamps represent a form of "retro-retro." For such individuals--who enjoyed the lamps in the late '80s as a retro throwback but then grew out of this "pure" retro phase and rejected them, only to eventually develop nostalgic affection for their original retro feelings--it is hard to assess how they truly feel about the lamps. > > "Remember back in '88, '89, when everybody had lava lamps in their dorm rooms because they were so hilariously evocative of the late '60s, early '70s?" said Todd Wakefield, 31, a recent lava lamp re-reconvert. "That was awesome." > > "Lava lamps? Please. I remember back in '88, '89, when everybody had one in their dorm room because they were trying to be all late '60s, early '70s," said Jen Cushman, 31. "Talk about over. Having a lava lamp now is so late-'80s late '60s/early '70s." > > Still others view the matter altogether differently. > > "It all depends whether you're talking about straight, unironic, revivalist retro or one of the numerous strains of pre-X and Gen-X irony," said Seth Burks, 29, author of the award-winning Athens, GA-based 'zine Burning Asshole. "I've identified 22 distinct varieties of irony-informed retro and non-retro aesthetics, including camp, kitsch, trash, schmaltz, post-schmaltz, and post-post-schmaltz. It's time we addressed the woeful inadequacies of the government's current retro-classification system." > > The report marks the latest in a string of controversies for the embattled Department of Retro, which is still feeling the effects of 1998's bitter infighting over the still-unresolved issue of "classic" rock. The department was further rocked in May 1999, when Setzer replaced then-Retro Secretary Donny Most, who stepped down after refusing to endorse That '70s Show. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:59:31 EST From: HOODOO3005@aol.com Subject: Re: Dust In a message dated 2/7/01 9:55:53 PM Central Standard Time, owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com writes: << (Dust's) second album is called 'hard attack' and has a really ugly cover(actually a buncha vikings!) >> Has anybody noticed that the vikings on the cover of HARD ATTACK are fighting two against one? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:03:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Mata Subject: Re: CCR and the KKK I doubt it. CCR was from the East Bay Area (in California) and the KKK is nonexistant there. If you had told me that some members of Lynrd Skynrd were in the KKK I might be more inclined to believe you... - -JM - --- Mark Ertmer wrote: > > I heard that some of the guys in Creedence > Clearwater Revival used to be kinda high up in the > KKK or some shit. Does anybody know if there's any > truth to this rumor? > > Mark > > > ===> To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp" to > majordomo@xnet2.com <=== > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 00:20:01 -0800 From: Rick McCullough Subject: Re: Shake Some Action Does anyone know which version is on Rhino's DIY Series compilation "American Power Pop I (1975-78)"? I have a tape of it without liner notes. Thanks, Rick. tiemen kuipers wrote: > I've got the English Sire single of "Shake Some Action" b/w "Teenage Confidential", and it is a totally different version than the one on the album...even though the single says- from the album "shake some action" 9103 251- right on it. Anyway, the single version has different instrumentation and a slightly different vocal arrangement with an entirely diiferent sounding mix...it's missing all the little things that make "Shake Some Action" the perfect song it is. It's too bad that British radio chooses to play the single version...If I'd heard that version first, instead of the album version, I might not have been prompted into going out and buying all the rest of the Groovies records. > > Anybody else have comments on the two different versions? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 08:07:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Bigot" Subject: Re: Teenage Shutdown > That's a few pros... > > 2) The package is flawless (photos & notes) (the exact contrary of Garage > Punk Unknowns' first printing) I think the early GPU looked cool in their DIY way. > 4) There are many songs never compiled before That doesn't make any sense if you look at 6 in the "cons" > And some cons... > > 6) There are several tracks already compiled before > 7) 17-19 tracks per volume are not many (nowadays) This is really stupid to say that coz on vinyl, it's kinda tough to put more than 22 minutes of music per side (I know you think about cd's...) > 9) There are only very few volumes actually made of raw & wild garage punk. If you only look for raw & wild, choose your volumes and leave room for people who dig other styles (I love all of them). > > > > > > > > ===> To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp" to majordomo@xnet2.com <=== > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 02:13:30 EST From: MaximumMarshak@cs.com Subject: Re: Un-Covered, in more ways than one While I agree that the Kinks are pretty untouchable, the Creamers really tear into Father Christmas, which I think I've raved about on this list before. Oh yeah, the best use of a Kinks song in a porno is in "Ape Over Love." The movie revolves around a professional dog walker, and in one definitive scene he's wearing a gorilla suit while doin' it doggie style-all the while "Apeman" is playing in the background. The movie opens with a T-rex song, and also has a wonderful mustache ride scene that is backed by "Whole Lotta Love." Unbelieveable! Chad Chadwick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:45:39 +0100 From: Jan.Roerhorst@prismant.nl Subject: Re: BFTG/TS Boldface wrote, reacting to Evan: >Not necessarily, I buy BFTG for the ballads< >>I buy 'em for their sleeves' beautiful cover art.<< and Todd added: >>I'd buy 'em for the (rather opinionated) liner notes, alone.<< I started buying 'em cuz they would look so absolutely fucking great on a coffee table. As I didn't own a coffee table then, I just started to play 'em. When I found out how much fun they were, I decided to become a record collector, instead of a coffee table geek....... - ----------------------- Roberto Feruglio, on Teenage Shutdown, wrote: >>That's a few pros... And some cons... 8) The volumes are many<< ????????????????? a con?????????????? Jeroen told me there's 'ONLY' going to be 25 volumes!!!!!!!!!!!! Actually, the TS's are never out of reach: most of the time they are on my desk at home, ready to grab. Sometimes I put 'em away, yet within a few days they're out again. Every so few days I just take all 15 (so far) with me into the office and have a great time. Once I start with #1, I just can't help myself: I play 'em all in a row! I can't wait for the rest of the series!! That's it!!! L8er, Jan (listening to "Ripples 5: Beach Bash") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:49:08 +0100 From: Jan.Roerhorst@prismant.nl Subject: February 8 Hi y'all, As I'm in the Grave anyway, here's a few more corpses I dug up from my database: On February 8, in 1956, Duke Ellington recorded "Ko ko", in Chicago; 1957, Sonny Boy Williamson recorded "Fattening frogs for snakes", "Hurts me so much", "I don't know", "Like wolf" and "This is my apartment" at Chicago's Chess Studios; 1963, Buddy Guy recorded "American bandstand", "Hundred $ bill", "My love is real" and "No lie" at Chicago's Chess Studios; 1966, Cuby & the Blizzards recorded "L.S.D. (got a million dollars)" and "Your body, not your soul", in Hilversum, Holland. The two songs were released as their second 45. And how good it was to see "Your body, not your soul" covered by the Brood on their "Beyond the Valley of the Brood"! Shameless, yet useless plug, as every Bomper already has this, of course! You haven't? Shame on you!! Un-subscribe yourself!! 1967, Jimi Hendrix recorded "Foxey lady" at London's Olympic Studios; 1968, the Beatles finished "the inner light" and worked some more on "Across the universe" at Abbey Road. Originally intended as flip to "Lady Madonna", the group decided to shelve it mainly because John was not completely content with the song. The Beatles agreed however, that the song be incuded in a World Wildlife Fund benefit lp, "No one's gonna change our world", that was not released until December 1969. On October 2, 1969, George Martin added wildlife sounds to the original recording for this special release. With "Across the universe" eliminated as contender for flip to the next 45, "The inner light" was promoted to that position; 1968, the Sandpebbles recorded "Flower power" and "If you didn't hear me the first time (I'll say it again) at New York's Bell Sound Studios; 1970, the Free recorded "Don't say you love me" at London's Trident Studios. That's all. L8er, Jan (still surfin') ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 10:07:10 +0100 From: "Roberto Feruglio" Subject: Re: TIM WARREN RESPONDS TO MISINFORMATION! I understood there has been a misunderstanding... Here they gave rise to an expectation of another BFTG volume: see the messages http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0101/msg01849.html http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0101/msg01855.html http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0102/msg00064.html I knew it was not so, thus I reported part of a message from another list at http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0102/msg00156.html There was a reply to it at http://www.xnet2.com/bomp/searchable/0102/msg00169.html where the message I posted was cut off. Someone sent THIS to Mr. Warren leading him to believe I said that. Please, the next time follow the debate. Best Roberto Feruglio the wrong way: unofficial psychedelic web pages http://web.tiscalinet.it/wrongway/ ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2001 #79 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. 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