From: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com (bomp-digest) To: bomp-digest@xnet2.com Subject: bomp-digest V2001 #83 Reply-To: bomp Sender: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Errors-To: owner-bomp-digest@xnet2.com Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send e-mail to majordomo@xnet2.com with "unsubscribe bomp-digest" in the body X-Bomp-web-site: http://www.bomp.com X-BompList-Administrator: efd@xnet2.com bomp-digest Friday, February 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 083 This is the digest version of the Bomp list. ***HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE:*** Send an e-mail with the words "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com or go to . Here's what people are yacking about in this digest: Re: New Monkees Euphorik6@aol.com Re: Teenage Crackdown re: cover versions (gloria) Euphorik6@aol.com Another Test Alex Piandes Re: Shutdown "David Meyer" Re: comps/TS "Roberto Feruglio" Re: Back From The Grave - moral high Ground? "Mike Markesich" Shake Some Action Boldface Jonny Chan & the New Dynasty Six Boldface 45 rpm single carrying boxes Boldface cover versions Boldface Re: cover versions "Lenny Smith" Re: comps/TS Jake Re: CCR and the KKK "Laurent Bigot" Re: Another Test "Lenny Smith" RE: Psych Unknowns Alan Wright RE: bomp-digest V2001 #82 Alan Wright Re: Favorite TS "Rick Kvoriak" mp3 opinion james Re: Please Help joergen.roenn@swipnet.se Thanks Lenny & Blair! "Alex Piandes" Re: Teenage Shutdown SoundViews@aol.com Re: mp3 opinion Iam Fuzzco Re: The eternal garage/I have a dream! Iam Fuzzco RE: mp3 opinion "McGowan, Rob (SD-EX)" Re: Another Reel(Don Steele) Radio "name that tune" "Joey Beretta" Shake Some Action Greg Shaw Our Little Rendez-vous playlist 2-9-01 Mekios ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 05:22:19 EST From: Euphorik6@aol.com Subject: Re: New Monkees In a message dated 2/9/01 2:18:39 AM, joeyb@aa.net writes: << > Wasn't there some TV show in the '80s called "The New Monkess", starring > four bozos with poodle-dos's? Or was this just a particularly lurid > nightmare I had?! > -Peter M > Yes, there was, it only lasted a few episodes. It was horrible, they were horrible, their hair was horrible. >> sad to say, i actually have documentary evidence of the elusive "new monkees" - i was going through some old videos a while back, and during a twilight zone marathon, i actually managed, lucky me, to find a couple of commercials for this crime against humanity on tape. i about choked on my pepsi. this is sort of the bigfoot super-8 home movie of bad-idea TV, and it's every bit as horrifying as you recall. in the style department, these guys made mr mister look like the small faces, and i don't think there's this much hairspray this side of the bon jovi boudoir. truly horrifying. i remember going into a big lots in indy about 10 years ago, and checking out the CDs. all they had were two or three of those crappy telarc mood music CDs, and about 60 or 70 (seriously) copies of the new monkees CD. i'm sure they're still there, in case anyone's interested. ironing the acid wash, polishing the roland synth & adjusting the stocking cap, rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 01 21:40:12 +1100 From: Subject: Re: Teenage Crackdown >A corresponding double-set LP of a full CD can include more music than that >CD. The CDs wouldn't be 15 anymore thus consequently we shouldn't have 15 >double-sets. I don't know how many they would be. We could have 7 >double-sets with the same music compiled on the whole CDs and they would >cost fewer than the present 15 LPs, or (maybe) 9 double-sets correspondent >exactly to the track-listings of the CDs, and they wouldn't cost much more >than the present LPs. If your pusher sells a double-LP at a price higher >than (or equal) 2 LPs is a thief. >Roberto A normal music CD has the capacity to hold 28-30 average-length '60s punk tunes. A 12 inch vinyl LP can carry 14-16 similar tracks (it can hold several more, but that compromises the sound quality). So that'd be 32 tracks for a double LP - room for a couple of "bonus tracks" that aren't on the CD. I mentioned this years ago, but I think anyone who prefers, say, Teenage Shutdown on vinyl would be happy to shell out for a well-made double LP w/ vinyl-only bonuses, Whereas those of us who can stomach CDs would be happier with 30 tracks rather than 18. - -Peter M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:11:18 EST From: Euphorik6@aol.com Subject: re: cover versions (gloria) hoodoo wrote something to the effect of "them had the first & last word word on gloria, as good as the SOK version is" - but like a dumbass, i hit 'delete' instead of 'reply,' hence the paraphrase. all i gotta say on that is AMEN!! rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 06:45:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Piandes Subject: Another Test This is another test from my WebMail account. A virus got dumped onto the WMFO-DJ list and given that Outlook Express opens everything before you can delete it... Well, you get the picture, dammit. _________________________________________________________ Alex Piandes Coffee 'n' Smokes WMFO (91.5fm) Medford, MA ***TUNE IN LIVE VIA MP3 THROUGH THE NEW COFFEE 'N' SMOKES (coffeensmokes.freeservers.com) OR WMFO (www.wmfo.org) WEBSITES!!! Coffee 'n' Smokes airs every Saturday morning from 6-9am (EST) and...3-6am (Pacific), 4-7am (Mountain), 5-8am (Central), 11am-2pm (GMT), Noon-3pm (Paris/Rome/Amsterdam), 1-4pm (Athens), 8-11pm (Tokyo), 9pm-Midnight (Sydney/Melbourne), 10pm-1am (Auckland) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:31:23 -0500 From: "David Meyer" Subject: Re: Shutdown I would have to call it a tie between "World Ain't Round, It's Square", and "Things Been Bad". Both have many strong cuts (of course, most of the TS comps do). I'm not necessarily fixated on paint peelers, though I dig them. But I vote for those who have the most tunes that stay in my head. Besides, any comp with the original (I presume) of "I Found a New Love" has to be a winner. Dave M > >>Todd wrote, > > >>While we're on the subject, I'd be interested to know just which >>volume > >>of Teenage Shutdown is everyone's favorite. Mine is The World >>Ain't > >>Round It's Square. > > >>Todd > Mike chimed, > It's tough to choose, because I love the paint peelers, too, but Teen > Jangler Blowout...especially the Jacksonville Investment Company and > Disillusioned Younger Generation tracks. If Tim and Mike stucj with the > BFTG comps, I never would have been introduced to these winners... > > Mike Dugo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:39:36 +0100 From: "Roberto Feruglio" Subject: Re: comps/TS >From: "Laura Markley" Subject: comps / "retro classification" >There has got to be a point where you just CAN'T come out with a really good comp anymore because the best songs have already been comped! >From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Re: Back / Grave:moral high ground? An Editorial >I think fans back in the 80's were a LOT more appreciative of the music. Though the period I lived in saw "the best songs" compiled, who was able to track down all the best comps? Not I. I have some double-tracks, because I cannot ask "Hey, I want this but not that song on the comp!" and I'm not looking for this or that particular song either. Thus if somebody can assemble a comp, which features songs already compiled (that I like and don't own), with the same sound-treatment of TS, is welcome! I don't need a "never before compiled song" if I don't like it. (Comparing to the stardom) as I like the Count V & the Standells, should I like the Leaves or the Blue Things? What's the loss? Who listen to classical music can tell me "You don't know what you lose!" I keep on living anyhow. Don't I appreciate a wider spectrum of sounds? Back in 1980 when I started buying records I was into US-hardcore-punk, and I don't deny my past. There was/is a lot of punk, folk, country, blues, r 'n' r, jazz in my life but this (and nuggets & pebbles, garage66, shindig) is not the place to talk about it. I know you meant "a wide range of garage music" so who has a limited vision? Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:10:20 -0500 From: "Mike Markesich" Subject: Re: Back From The Grave - moral high Ground? I stated: >>Which brings me to another point - home-made CD's of garage 45's. And MP >3's of garage songs. I feel the music deserves respect, and to merely copy >something without doing a proper transfer (most people have low-end >turntables and audio equipment, making for some truly horrendous sounding >comps) is worthless. Steve Coleman responded: >Just like the *respect* a lot of those kids received when they hired studio time and arranged for a few hundred singles to be pressed-up! Do you think there was a lot of respect flying around the control rooms when bands like the Alarm Clocks were laying down their scuzz? Uh, you're missing the point, dude. "proper" transfer meaning the person who picks up a reissue should expect the audio quality to be a close to the sound of the original recording as possible. Listening to some of those "Boulders" cuts from the early 80's is a good example. Thankfully, most of the comps sound a lot better than the old days. and you're phrase "laying down their scuzz...I do not think Bruce, Mike and Bill went into Audio Recorders with the idea to lay down "scuzz"...these stupid 70's punk rock ideologies and concepts that people use to describe these sounds is ridiculous. Sure, the recording engineers back then had no idea how to record rock & roll bands. In the big studios, maybe. But the 60's bands didn't set out to make crude sounding discs. As for MP3's of garage...if you've got the capabilities to make one and have the original source tape, dat etc., then maybe the argument for good sounding MP3's can be made. But making one from a second generation (or worse) copy of the original 45, well, I still say MP3's are a waste and only serve the purpose of making the song available for someone who doesn't want to spend $$$ on a better source (comps, not an original). Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:53:19 +0000 From: Boldface Subject: Shake Some Action >>I've got the English Sire single of "Shake Some Action" b/w "Teenage >>Confidential", and it is a totally different version than the one on the >>album >> >>It's too bad that British radio chooses to play the single version... >> > >Shake Some Action (ver.1). Recorded at Rockfield Aug-'72, at the >same session that also gave us the 2 UA 45s plus 'You Tore Me >Down', the very first Bomp release. This is the same version of >SSA that turned up on the first Sire LP and on the 6198086 45. > >Shake Some Action (ver.2). Recorded at Capitol studios LA '73. >Released in the UK as 6078602, and again on 6078619, tho' the >later is a remixed version with added vocals, the sleeve surprisingly >claims this to be the "original version" !. > >Shake Some Action (ver.3). Recorded in Sydney Australia Aug-'86. >Yet another version that first turned up on the 'One Night Stand' LP >and later on dozens of semi-legal comps. > >Does this makes sense PJ ?, Thanks Jeroen! So the 7" with three tracks on it has the same version of Shake Some Action as the album? The BBC's local London station is playing many people's preferred version and I did right to choose to buy the three-track 45 rather than the other 45. So that's allright then! Everything's fine in this part of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:51:48 +0000 From: Boldface Subject: Jonny Chan & the New Dynasty Six >Everyone Else" by Jonny Chan & the New Dynasty 6 at their Gutterfest >debut in Detroit. Any news on their way delayed sophomore effort? Jonny sent me a cassette copy quite some time ago and I furnished him with a list of Euro labels that might put it out when I was at his place in Brooklyn last November... But so far no one's interested in releasing it. Which is weird cos it's real good stuff. -- PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:52:51 +0000 From: Boldface Subject: 45 rpm single carrying boxes >i dig their lp carrying bag, and may pick one up, but i still >need something to transport my 45s. can anyone help? You can get carrying boxes in DJ shops here in London, but that's not much good to you, Lee... The box I've got has two rows holding 100 each. I'm always picking up smaller ones (that hold 50) in charity shops too. Which size are you after? I'd happily bring one with me next time I'm coming to New York. -- PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:03:11 +0000 From: Boldface Subject: cover versions >Nobody, but NOBODY, can touch "Gloria" by Them. As great as the Shadows Of >Knight were, Van Morrison & co. had the final word that time. Have to agree with you on Them's version of "Gloria" having a bit of an edge of the Shadows of Knight...but at the same time I have to admit to getting a kick out of Patti Smith's version because she brings a different sort of feeling and intensity to the song. Not better, nor worse, just different... - PJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:18:35 -0500 From: "Lenny Smith" Subject: Re: cover versions Boldface wrote: >Have to agree with you on Them's version of "Gloria" having a bit of an >edge of the Shadows of Knight...but at the same time I have to admit to >getting a kick out of Patti Smith's version because she brings a different >sort of feeling and intensity to the song. Not better, nor worse, just >different... - PJ Patti also used to do a great live version of The Velvet Underground's "We're Gonna Have a Real Good Time Together"... Lenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 07:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Subject: Re: comps/TS > Thus if somebody can > assemble a comp, which features songs already compiled (that I like and > don't own), with the same sound-treatment of TS, is welcome! I agree with that 100%. I would love to see songs previously compiled on crappy comps to get eq'd (or remastered or whatever) and released on a Teenage Shutdown volume. Isn't this the idea that started this whole crazy thread in the first place before someone brought up the apparently blasphemous idea of mp3s? Who cares if it's been previously comped as long as it's GOOD!!! Jake ===== http://www.grandrapidsrocks.com Mid-60's West Michigan Rock and Roll! __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 17:44:19 +0100 From: "Laurent Bigot" Subject: Re: CCR and the KKK > Got to admit that's a good one, never heard that one before!! Almost as good as Charles Manson auditioning for the Monkees or Prince blowing his brains out because he had contracted AIDS. Seriously, though, given Fogerty's well known love of Blues and R&B, I highly doubt he would allow racists of any kind to play music with him. > I don't think Fogerty's a racist but there're a bunch of racist skins that dig reggae & I know a pretty racist guy who worship blues (and not the white style blues)... Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:58:33 -0500 From: "Lenny Smith" Subject: Re: Another Test Alex Piandes wrote: <> If the virus was sent as an attachment to an e-mail, that's probably not a problem. Opening an attachment requires an extra click. Usually, the text of the message to which a virus is attached is harmless enough, so you can highlight the message and delete it safely. There ARE a few viruses that are text based, as I understand it, so that may not be universal, but you can find out more about exactly what virus was sent to you guys by posting a query with description of the e-mail to alt.comp.virus . There's a really knowledgeable crew there, and they can give you detailed step-by-step instructions on how to get rid of the virus, as well as what you can and can't safely do. One word of warning--post to that NG from a deja.com account or similar webbased account (many, like Yahoo and Hotmail won't post to newsgroups--if they do, I sure haven't figured out how), because there are virus enthusiasts who "harvest" e-mail addy's from this NG and mail viruses to people who post there, LOL. I didn't know this first time I posted, and received one in my primary e-mail account, which I access thru Outlook Express, but sure enough, it was an e-mail attachment. I had no problem deleting it thru Outlook Express and was not infected. Hope this helps. Lenny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:53:19 -0800 From: Alan Wright Subject: RE: Psych Unknowns Sure. The thread is that they have songs made in the '60s on them. Or they have songs I like. Since when did it become a stipulation that a comp has to have some sort of common thread? I mean, if you use the same logic, then Pebbles albums and Vack Fro The Graves don't have a common thread other than the fact that they are comps. Of '60s garage band music, or '60s punk if you will. Well, I guess that depends on your definition of "psychedelic." Billy Synth rules!!! Alan ----- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:55:45 -0800 From: Alan Wright Subject: RE: bomp-digest V2001 #82 I stand by what I say for that reason. I've listened to MP3s a few times and the sound is not unlike an old transistor radio tuned to an AM station. Plus, they're too convenient for those out there who want to get everything free. Brian NFTG> I have to agree w/ both Brian and Lee here. I have yet to get very interested in MP3s. I guess I just like to play music on a real stereo.... Alan > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:15:31 -0000 From: "Rick Kvoriak" Subject: Re: Favorite TS Two way tie between Teen Jangler Blowout and Nobody to Love. But then again, I'm a wuss. > > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 22:15:49 -0500 (EST) > From: troggman@webtv.net (Todd Lucas) > Subject: Re: Teenage Shutdown > > While we're on the subject, I'd be interested to know just which volume > of Teenage Shutdown is everyone's favorite. Mine is The World Ain't > Round It's Square. > > Todd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:19:17 -0500 From: james Subject: mp3 opinion I've listened to MP3s a few times > and the sound is not unlike an old transistor radio tuned to an AM station. I would ask if you listened to the mp3's through your computer speakers or did you convert the files, burn a CD and then listen to the music over your stereo? Most anything sounds like crap coming through computer speakers unless you've got some of the newer ones. true that mp3 compression will remove some digital information, but high quality (160's and up) conversions really only remove information that is inaudible in the first place. My experience with mp3's lifted from Napster, for example, has been largely good. Supplemented with audio software, which allows for level/EQ adjustments and the like, I can create 'new' discs which are FAR superior to the mixed tapes I used to make and in most cases - equal to regular CD's. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:32:15 +0100 From: joergen.roenn@swipnet.se Subject: Re: Please Help Here's a link to their site http://www.hives.nu/ It took a damned long time to load though. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: Fwd: Please Help > > Return-path: > From: SHBEVLON1@aol.com > Full-name: SHBEVLON1 > Message-ID: <62.bbf198e.27b45151@aol.com> > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:45:21 EST > Subject: Please Help > To: REALRocknroll@onelist.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 > > > Does anyone know how to get in touch with The Hives? I was tlaking to > them a while ago and now I lost the damn address, and the guy who put me in > touch with them the first time seems to have dissapeared. > Thanks in advance, > Evan > > > ===> To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp" to majordomo@xnet2.com <=== > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:40:40 -0000 From: "Alex Piandes" Subject: Thanks Lenny & Blair! I'm currently home for lunch and decided to simply run my antivirus software. No virus was detected just now but this morning when I tried fo fire off e-mails the window said my address book was configured improperly. Oh well. I've stuck with Outlook beacuse it's easier (read:familiar) but it obviously isn't worth it if I'm knocking out my friend's e-mails as well as mine... Anyhoo, thanks for the advice. While I'm at it, "I'm A No-Count", "She'll Hurt You In The End", and "The World Ain't Round..." are my faves. Just check out the playlists. Tomorrow is the 1st annual C 'n' S Dirty Music Show. Every song won't be of the dirty variety partly because MJ will be up in Newie celebrating his 35th b-day, but I think it'll be good nonetheless. Take care Alex __________________________________________________ Alex Piandes Coffee 'n' Smokes WMFO (91.5fm) Medford, MA "Featuring new & vintage garage/punk, surf, psychedelic, rockabilly, pop obscurities,...and a little bit o' greasy R & B" TUNE IN LIVE VIA WINAMP MP3 THROUGH THE NEW COFFEE 'N' SMOKES (http://coffeensmokes.freeservers.com) OR THE WMFO (www.wmfo.org) WEBSITES!!! Coffee 'n' Smokes airs every Saturday morning from 6-9am (EST) and... 3-6am (U.S.Pacific), 4-7am (U.S.Mountain), 5-8am (U.S.Central), 11am-2pm (GMT), Noon-3pm (Paris/Rome/Amsterdam), 1-4pm (Athens), 8-11pm (Tokyo), 9pm-Midnight (Sydney/Melbourne) and 10pm-1am Sunday (Auckland) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:18:19 EST From: SoundViews@aol.com Subject: Re: Teenage Shutdown << While we're on the subject, I'd be interested to know just which volume of Teenage Shutdown is everyone's favorite. Mine is The World Ain't Round It's Square. >> that's a toughie! mine would probably be *the world ain't round...*, *teen jangler...* and *howlin' for...* oh, but there's also *i'm a no count*. hmmm... lee sound views - --- "make strong old dreams lest our world lose heart." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:21:12 -0800 (PST) From: Iam Fuzzco Subject: Re: mp3 opinion - --- james wrote: > > I've listened to MP3s a few times > > and the sound is not unlike an old transistor > radio tuned to an AM station. > > My experience with mp3's lifted from Napster, for > example, has been largely > good. Supplemented with audio software, which allows > for level/EQ > adjustments and the like, I can create 'new' discs > which are FAR superior to > the mixed tapes I used to make and in most cases - > equal to regular CD's. I've made 4-5 cds worth of stuff from Napster and I think it sounds GREAT! I always make sure to get the largest possible file that is offered for a particular song. But of course, I am not an audiophile, either (how could I be? I like garage rock!). As far as the royalties issue goes, I've bought TONS of records in my life. I will buy tons more. I'm doing my part. I am allowed to download, listen to and keep some song I ordinarily would not have taken a risk on and bought or some other one hit wonder that I like when I don't feel like buying another "Party Hits of the 60's" comp with the umpteenth re-issue of "Shout". I will wait until the WFMU record fair, so I can buy records right from label, to ensure that ALL of the money I spend will go to artist and the label, not the store, the distributor, etc. With regards to the royalties for the BFTG/TS comps: would you rather Tim Warren (or Todd Abrahmson or Miriam Linna or...) put the money in their pockets so they can keep putting out more great records and pay/produce contemporary groups like The Raunch Hands, The Swinging Neckbreakers, or The Hentchmen, or fritter it away $20 to each of the guys on each track who is a dentist, or lawyer or accountant now? I vote for the now sounds. Getting off my soapbox now.....Iam Fuzzco __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:27:36 -0800 (PST) From: Iam Fuzzco Subject: Re: The eternal garage/I have a dream! - --- sykadelik@one.net.au wrote: > "isn't this whole thing > FINITE? There has got to be a > >point where you just CAN"T come out with a really > good comp anymore because > >the best songs have already been comped!" > > The great thing about this music is that the amount > recorded is INfinite. Previously unknown stuff is > resurfacing to this day....I know it's > logically impossible, but there it is. Maybe some > neo-garage band has a time machine and is planting > obscurities in the past. Funny you should mention that. I actually had a dream like that last night. Me and Mopar Larry traveled back in time to 1976 and were trying to teach a guitarist and drummer how to play punk rock songs. They kept saying it was awful, and I kept insisting "I'm telling you, next year this is gonna be huge!" __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 16:37:29 -0500 From: "McGowan, Rob (SD-EX)" Subject: RE: mp3 opinion My audiophile friend tells me that LPs sound much better than CDs (no surprise) and that CDs sound much better than MP3s. He tells me that anyone could tell the difference if they listened with a good "sound stage" (the listening area for an audiophile system). However, he tells me that Sony's mini-discs are much better than CDs, and that he has started to archive some of his wax on mini-discs. He could be full of shit, as many audiophiles seem to be, but I'm going to look into mini-discs as a possible archival media. - -Rob - -----Original Message----- From: james [mailto:jamesbond@bond-partners.com] Subject: mp3 opinion ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:33:40 -0800 From: "Joey Beretta" Subject: Re: Another Reel(Don Steele) Radio "name that tune" Almost two weeks later, I have come to the conclusion that the version of "Fortune Teller" heard here is the Hardtimes. Joey > I was just listening to a 1986 Real Don Steele KRLA aircheck when I > heard the intro and the end of a garage pop song that sounded really > cool, but I'm unfamiliar with. It sounded like the Sunrays after hearing > "You're Gonna Miss Me." > > The truncated song starts in at 10:48 and ends at 11:07 on the > RealPlayer. > > http://www.reelradio.com/daverand/index.html#rdskrla0186 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 14:55:20 -0800 From: Greg Shaw Subject: Shake Some Action >Well, I did some research on "Shake Some Action" and I came up with a lot of >conflicting info. One website says that "Shake" was recorded in '72, and >that the album version was also recorded in '72. Another says the Bomp! >single version was recorded in '72 (released in '74) and the LP version in >'76. The one site says that the bulk of the "Shake" album was recorded with >Dave Edmuinds in 1972, resulting in the single, plus what came out later as >the "Grease" and "More Grease" EPs. I can tell you that the version I have >on "Under The Covers," listed as a Capitol demo, is certainly different from >both the Bomp! single and the album version. Perhaps Greg Shaw can shed more >light on this, since he worked with the band. > >From: "Jeroen Vedder" >Subject: Re: Shake Some Action > >Shake Some Action (ver.1). Recorded at Rockfield Aug-'72, at the >same session that also gave us the 2 UA 45s plus 'You Tore Me >Down', the very first Bomp release. This is the same version of >SSA that turned up on the first Sire LP and on the 6198086 45. > >Shake Some Action (ver.2). Recorded at Capitol studios LA '73. >Released in the UK as 6078602, and again on 6078619, tho' the >later is a remixed version with added vocals, the sleeve surprisingly >claims this to be the "original version" !. Jeroen has the correct facts, as far as I remember. I'm pretty sure the Skydog stuff (Blues for Phyllis, etc) was recorded before they went to England, but I don't know exactly when or where. The Groovies were brought to the UK in 72 by Andrew Lauder/UA Records, given a place to live while they did a few shows that astonished NME journalist Nick Kent and others, and then they were sent to Rockfield to make singles with Dave Edmunds. Two were released. The third was to be "Shake Some Action" but for some reason UA passed, and pulled the plug, forcing the band to return to America, tapes in hand. Cyril then shopped the tapes to a few labels, and got no interest. With his own money (so far as I know... but they had a manager who was helping out at the time too) Cyril took the band into Capitol and laid down 2 or 3 songs. I have the tape somewhere, but I'm going on memory. The main thing was to do a "poppier" version of "Shake Some Action" that might be perceived by labels as more radio-friendly. Remember, this was 1973--the best stuff on radio was the Raspberries, Badfinger, etc. Cyril produced it himself, along with one or two b-sides (Can't Explain? I'm hazy) and at the time he approached me, at the American home office of UA, he had the Rockfield tapes (also 3 songs as I recall, "Shake", "You Tore Me Down" and ?) and the Capitol tape. He convinced me to put out a single to give him leverage with labels. I thought "Shake" should be the single, but he was holding it back. "Shake" was never a single on Bomp. We released "You Tore Me Down" and believe it or not, through my industry connections I was able to get more than a hundred commercial radio stations to play it. On the strength of this, I convinced Seymour Stein at Sire to do an album. He heard both versions of "Shake" and felt the Rockfield version should be on the album, along with the other Edmunds productions that were to be done -- I think these were 1975? Cyril's version remained in the can, until Phillips (the UK label) picked it as a better choice for the debut single, for whatever reason. It was exactly the wrong thing to do in 1976, when the British public's taste was rapidly turning to rawer, more punk sounds. But at the time, who knew? Up to the July 4, 1976 show at the Roundhouse, when the Ramones made their British debut supporting the "legendary" Groovies, only to completely steal the show, the Groovies' idea was to be an edgy pop band, in the Beatles tradition. Flashy clothes, rock star attitude, pop records. As the tour proceeded, each support band (first the Damned, then the Vibrators) had full punk audience support, while the Groovies received only polite applause (except from their coterie of diehard fans from the 1972 days). If the whole project had appeared in 1973 or 74, as it could have if they'd stayed with UA in England, the trip might have worked, given the complete vacuum of hipness in the world that year (save for the NY Dolls). In 1976, in the light of the exploding punk scene, it seemed ludicrous. >I've gotta agree with you there...but there's been plenty of discussion on >the downfalls of Radio in this group already. I always wondered why "Shake >some Action" (the song, and the album) was never a huge hit for the >Grovvies though...I mean, it's a song that both my mom and my girlfriend >(she hates everything!)...it's got universal appeal. I go into this detail because I think it's the only way to "explain" why "Shake Some Action" failed to do much of anything. It DID get a lot of FM airplay, and Sire did promote the album fairly heavily. But it wasn't what American radio wanted to hear. It didn't take off. Shows with the Ramones and other punk bands completely stole the fire from Cyril's vision of a 60s-based pop phenomenon. In 1972 the Groovies had a real shot at being a commercial success. Even in 1976, they made something of a dent. But by then, and from then on, they were relegated to cult band status. But it seems to me it wasn't only the Groovies who weren't getting airplay in 1976 and 77. How many hit singles did the Ramones have? How high on the charts did Blondie's "X Offender" get? I think they could've stormed the charts in England had it been a year or two earlier, but we'll never know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 20:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mekios Subject: Our Little Rendez-vous playlist 2-9-01 First show at a new time slot last night. Here's the playlist: ELIPSE - Signal Evrovizije (V/A Jugobeat Explosion vol.3, LP) GUILTY RAZORS - Provocate (V/A Killed by Death #77, LP) LES MISERABLES - Miserablement votre (V/A Transworld Punk Rave-Up, vol.2,LP) BLACKTOP - Baby (We Desist, Dbl 7"; In The Red) KNACKS - The theme of the day (V/A Six Miles from the Cage vol.2, LP) MATADORS - Indolence (V/A Beat from Eastern Europe, cd-r, no label) BURGUNDY RUNN - Stop! (V/A Teen Jangler Blowout, LP; Teenage Shutdown) METROS - I gotta go (7"; Dirtnap) UNNATURAL AXE - Summertime (...is gonna kick your ass, LP; Alternative Action) PINKZ - You're tearin' me apart (7"; Radio Beat) BARIS MANCO & KAYGISIZLAR - Trip (to a fair) (V/A Turkish Delights, LP) BRYAN DAVIES - Watch what you say (V/A Pretty Ugly, CD) THE SOCIETY - Nicotine fit (V/A The Big Itch vol.1, LP) IRRITATIONS - Schoolyard justice (7"EP; Sack o' Shit) SPIDERS (Japan) - Little Robby (CD; Big Beat) DREAM DATES - Moans on the phone (7"; Squelchtone) SKUNKS - Cheap girl (V/A Tales from the Edge volumes 5 & 6, dblCD) ST. JOHN & THE CREW - I'm a man (V/A Beat Express 4, 10") LONDONS - Old man - A thing of age (V/A Tobacco A-Go-Go vol.2, LP) DINOSAURS - You can't beat it (V/A Simla Beat, dblCD; Normal) LOS REACTORS - Shake down (Los Reactors, LP; Rave-Up) DONNIE & DIANE - Hotrod weekend (V/A Hotrod Weekend, LP; White Label) STEVE & THE BOARD - Now I'm older (CD; Ascension) CRNI BISERI - Hey girl (V/A Jugobeat Explosion vol.2, LP) MARI UMEKI - I don't wanna be another good luck charm (7"; Toshiba) MISSING LYNX - You hypnotize me (V/A No No No, CD; Arf Arf) WEIRDOS - Life of crime (7"; Bomp) GENE VINCENT - In my dreams (Blue Gene, 7"; Norton) Our Little Rendez-vous is broadcast every Thursday night/Friday morning from 2AM to 3:30AM (Eastern US time) on WHRB 95.3FM, Cambridge, MA (also live on the net at www.whrb.org). Tune in! Best wishes, Dinos ------------------------------ End of bomp-digest V2001 #83 **************************** ===================================================================== You've been reading bomp-digest, the digest version of the Bomp list. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe bomp-digest" to majordomo@xnet2.com